Hello. I've been checking out Mag Dog knives lately, quite interested in the Mini ATAK, but their price is quite high. How does the O1 steel compare to Busse's INFI? And what about CS's laminated tanto seriers? I ask this cuz i believe the MD is softer on spine to make it tougher, kina like San Mai on CS. Which out of 3 you think it's better as toughness wise, also edge holding of course. Which of the 3 would you buy for medium utility purpose daily carry knife? Thanks
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Busse vs CS vs Mag Dog???
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Since you're new here, just a couple of things to consider before posting a new topic.
Go back a couple of weeks and check what has been posted before. Repetitive postings/questions are no fun to read/answer and it leaves the impression you're not willing to read up on stuff which has already been discussed in detail.
Then limit your question to just one detailed problem. Your posting is just plain too broad. You ask
1. how O1 compares to Infi
2. how those compare to laminated tantos (what has blade shape to do with your choice of steels?)
3. how a differential tempered blade compares to a laminated blade
4. how toughness relates to edge holding
5. what the recommendation for a medium utility purpose daily carry knife is.
Do you think anybody could answer those questions within a reasonable amount of time and space?
It is almost like you would ask: "Hey, I've been interested in Buddhism lately, I've heard that's pretty cool, how does that compare to Judaism? And what about confessions, I've read there is something in Christianity about it. What's your recommendation for an eveyday religion?"
See, questions like that don't have answers. You have to pin it down some more.
One more tip NEVER mention Mad Dog and Busse in the same topic header.
[This message has been edited by Ralf (edited 08-08-2000).]
Go back a couple of weeks and check what has been posted before. Repetitive postings/questions are no fun to read/answer and it leaves the impression you're not willing to read up on stuff which has already been discussed in detail.
Then limit your question to just one detailed problem. Your posting is just plain too broad. You ask
1. how O1 compares to Infi
2. how those compare to laminated tantos (what has blade shape to do with your choice of steels?)
3. how a differential tempered blade compares to a laminated blade
4. how toughness relates to edge holding
5. what the recommendation for a medium utility purpose daily carry knife is.
Do you think anybody could answer those questions within a reasonable amount of time and space?
It is almost like you would ask: "Hey, I've been interested in Buddhism lately, I've heard that's pretty cool, how does that compare to Judaism? And what about confessions, I've read there is something in Christianity about it. What's your recommendation for an eveyday religion?"
See, questions like that don't have answers. You have to pin it down some more.
One more tip NEVER mention Mad Dog and Busse in the same topic header.
[This message has been edited by Ralf (edited 08-08-2000).]
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I'll agree it's a complex question but I'll try to give you answer (or at least my opinion). The questions of toughness and MD knives has been hotly (nuclear style) debated. I've got five MD's and find them all decent knives for defensive and utility work. The edges are probabaly too hard and prone to chipping if stressed/used hard. Yes, I'll agree they are over priced - but you can say that abount many makers. The Busse is probably the toughest blade and the one best suited to really hard utility work. The CS laminated tanto uses AUS-8 as the center piece with softer stainless on the outside. I don't consider this combo particularly tough or a style useful for utility work. The larger CS Trailmaster bowie is a much tougher item. All three makers are prone agressive marketing of their products. While I like my MD's, I belive they have limits and pretty much discount the makers hype. IMHO, the toughest best utility style knife in this group is the Busse. You might also consider the Swedish Fallkniven A1 - it's supposed to be a tough field knife with a good reputation.
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Mad Dog Ruulz! Ha, ha, haaaa!
Jeepers Ralf! I guess you really didn't want to see this thread get started.
I actually think the Busse and the Mad Dog knives are both excellent. With Mad Dog knives you get the selective tempering which gives you a really wear resistant edge and a durable blade. I happen to think this is really cool, and they work well for me.
Busse has INFI, which I believe is uniformly heat treated. That can actually be an advantage if you are going to subject the knife to extreme lateral forces (aka prying) as it may result in a more uniformly durable blade.
INFI blades have performed very well in edge holding tests, but I find it very hard to draw a meaningful distinctions between between steels in terms of edge holding. All the good knife steels hold an edge a heck of a long time, and it is pretty hard to come up with a test that will conclusively prove one better than another. But certainly, INFI is a very premium knife steel.
So the main reason I prefer Mad Dog knives to Busse knives is design. I just like the ergonomics of the Mad Dogs. There is a little more model variety in the Mad Dog line as well. But they are both excellent blades. Pick the one that likes you the best.
I have to admit that I have never owned one, but the CS San Mei is a weird concept to me. It seems like CS is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. The idea of San Mei is to put a high hardness and wear resistant steel between two layers of tougher, less hardenable steel. CS stainless San Mei is three layers of AUS stainless steel, none of which are particularly standouts in the hardness or toughness department. Most likely AUS8 is more hardenable than AUS6, but is AUS6 any more tough than AUS8? I guess it depends on what you think toughness is, but in terms of how much a blade will flex before it bends or breaks, I don't know if AUS6 is any better than AUS8. I think you'd be better off with a uniform blade of 440C.
Daryl Meier makes a San Mei he calls Meierclad. I believe it is a 52100 core sandwhiched between layers of low alloy Damascus. Now that is San Mei.
Jeepers Ralf! I guess you really didn't want to see this thread get started.
I actually think the Busse and the Mad Dog knives are both excellent. With Mad Dog knives you get the selective tempering which gives you a really wear resistant edge and a durable blade. I happen to think this is really cool, and they work well for me.
Busse has INFI, which I believe is uniformly heat treated. That can actually be an advantage if you are going to subject the knife to extreme lateral forces (aka prying) as it may result in a more uniformly durable blade.
INFI blades have performed very well in edge holding tests, but I find it very hard to draw a meaningful distinctions between between steels in terms of edge holding. All the good knife steels hold an edge a heck of a long time, and it is pretty hard to come up with a test that will conclusively prove one better than another. But certainly, INFI is a very premium knife steel.
So the main reason I prefer Mad Dog knives to Busse knives is design. I just like the ergonomics of the Mad Dogs. There is a little more model variety in the Mad Dog line as well. But they are both excellent blades. Pick the one that likes you the best.
I have to admit that I have never owned one, but the CS San Mei is a weird concept to me. It seems like CS is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. The idea of San Mei is to put a high hardness and wear resistant steel between two layers of tougher, less hardenable steel. CS stainless San Mei is three layers of AUS stainless steel, none of which are particularly standouts in the hardness or toughness department. Most likely AUS8 is more hardenable than AUS6, but is AUS6 any more tough than AUS8? I guess it depends on what you think toughness is, but in terms of how much a blade will flex before it bends or breaks, I don't know if AUS6 is any better than AUS8. I think you'd be better off with a uniform blade of 440C.
Daryl Meier makes a San Mei he calls Meierclad. I believe it is a 52100 core sandwhiched between layers of low alloy Damascus. Now that is San Mei.
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