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Busse vs. Strider
- Thread starter bigtree31
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BUSSE IS THE KING OF ALL THE KNIVES STRIDERS ARE ONLY THE QUEEN MAYBE, ID GO WITH ANOTHER BUSSE, YOU WONT REGRET IT, GUARANTEED, THANKS, TAKE CARE.
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blademan_007
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I think you are posing the wrong question. A Kabar knife is used by more military guys than any other knife I imagine!! Also, i think that the Strider knives and the Busse knives are used for different purposes. I am not completely certain, but this is just what I have gleamed from reading posts and such. I hope that someone with more knowledge can chime in and give you a more accurate answer. Both companies seem to make indestructable knives that look cool and work harder than we do!
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"Come What May..."
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"Come What May..."
Awe shucks... forget those two and get a "notched" Mad dog....
seriously, Busse are great and Strider has a great rep, try one! If you don't you won't know. You will then have one of each, talk to the strider guys and make sure that you are getting a style you need so you can make a comparsion then USE them. I am guilty of having a wide assortment but using few of them
I am working on that part though
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If You Abide in Him then,"All His Promises are YES and AMEN"
seriously, Busse are great and Strider has a great rep, try one! If you don't you won't know. You will then have one of each, talk to the strider guys and make sure that you are getting a style you need so you can make a comparsion then USE them. I am guilty of having a wide assortment but using few of them
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If You Abide in Him then,"All His Promises are YES and AMEN"
Warranty Statement
"All Strider Knives carry an unconditional, lifetime guarantee.
In addition, our knives will be resharpened, refinished, and rewrapped, as often as needed at no cost to you other than return postage."
This is a direct paste from the Strider site. I looked, but couldn't find warranty info on Mad Dog or Busse. I like all three brands. Just trying to help you on your way.
-Scott
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"All Strider Knives carry an unconditional, lifetime guarantee.
In addition, our knives will be resharpened, refinished, and rewrapped, as often as needed at no cost to you other than return postage."
This is a direct paste from the Strider site. I looked, but couldn't find warranty info on Mad Dog or Busse. I like all three brands. Just trying to help you on your way.
-Scott
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I can't comment on Busse Knives as I've A.never held one B. never wanted one.
I've had my Strider (WB) going on a year now and their is nothing bad I can say about it. It has done everything I've asked it to.
It replaced my Randall #14 as my go to war blade,and that alone should say it all.But as it was said before,not alot of guys in the military are spending the kind of cash it takes to get the kind of blades we talk about in here. Ka-Bars/Air Force Survival/Ontario Spec-Ops/Gerber Mk II's, those are on the belts of most of the guys. You will find a few who are willing to invest in their craft and buy the best.
Personaly I have not seen a Busse blade on anyones kit,not saying military guys don't buy Busse but just that I have not seen any.
What truly sold me on the Strider was the attitude and the ethics of the guys at the shop,then the knife/sheath combo.
I've had my Strider (WB) going on a year now and their is nothing bad I can say about it. It has done everything I've asked it to.
It replaced my Randall #14 as my go to war blade,and that alone should say it all.But as it was said before,not alot of guys in the military are spending the kind of cash it takes to get the kind of blades we talk about in here. Ka-Bars/Air Force Survival/Ontario Spec-Ops/Gerber Mk II's, those are on the belts of most of the guys. You will find a few who are willing to invest in their craft and buy the best.
Personaly I have not seen a Busse blade on anyones kit,not saying military guys don't buy Busse but just that I have not seen any.
What truly sold me on the Strider was the attitude and the ethics of the guys at the shop,then the knife/sheath combo.
Cliff Stamp
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bigtree31:
The Strider models I have seen have a lot of full stock steel in the blades, this makes them very strong. For example, here are a PAB and WB :
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/images/pab_wb.jpg
Note that there much of the blade width that has the full 1/4" stock thickness. Compare this with for example a Battle Mistress :
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/images/bm-side.jpg
Here there is a full taper from the spine to the edge as well as a significantly greater taper to the edge than as compared to the PAB and WB.
I would assume based on this that the Striders are stronger. However I have yet to find something that requires a level of strength beyond what the Busse has and have been trying for some time.
There is a large amount of cutting ability lost by leaving all that steel there which gives the Busse blades in general a very significant advantage in regards to the time and effort required in cutting chores.
The Busse blades are significantly tougher than the Striders. This is simply due to the difference in steels used. While ATS-34 is a very strong, wear resistant steel, it is not overly tough. I have chipped out two Striders (both WB's) doing things that did not chip out the Busse.
However these are fairly high stress tasks, you have to be hitting/twisting the knife in contact with hardened metal or something similar like rock. I have not chipped out a Strider on wood and such and have done a lot of chopping.
I still have to finish up the review of the WB and and just starting working with the PAB so I still have some work to do. I intend to do a lot of work and thus better quantify such things as exactly how much more (or less) damage will the blades take while chopping bone, wire, digging etc. .
One other thing which is important to me, the Strider cord wrap is significantly more secure than the old style grip on the BM above. I have not used one of the new BM but I would be surprised if it was more secure than the Strider wrap.
-Cliff
The Strider models I have seen have a lot of full stock steel in the blades, this makes them very strong. For example, here are a PAB and WB :
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/images/pab_wb.jpg
Note that there much of the blade width that has the full 1/4" stock thickness. Compare this with for example a Battle Mistress :
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/images/bm-side.jpg
Here there is a full taper from the spine to the edge as well as a significantly greater taper to the edge than as compared to the PAB and WB.
I would assume based on this that the Striders are stronger. However I have yet to find something that requires a level of strength beyond what the Busse has and have been trying for some time.
There is a large amount of cutting ability lost by leaving all that steel there which gives the Busse blades in general a very significant advantage in regards to the time and effort required in cutting chores.
The Busse blades are significantly tougher than the Striders. This is simply due to the difference in steels used. While ATS-34 is a very strong, wear resistant steel, it is not overly tough. I have chipped out two Striders (both WB's) doing things that did not chip out the Busse.
However these are fairly high stress tasks, you have to be hitting/twisting the knife in contact with hardened metal or something similar like rock. I have not chipped out a Strider on wood and such and have done a lot of chopping.
I still have to finish up the review of the WB and and just starting working with the PAB so I still have some work to do. I intend to do a lot of work and thus better quantify such things as exactly how much more (or less) damage will the blades take while chopping bone, wire, digging etc. .
One other thing which is important to me, the Strider cord wrap is significantly more secure than the old style grip on the BM above. I have not used one of the new BM but I would be surprised if it was more secure than the Strider wrap.
-Cliff
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With respect to warranties, the Busse warranty is as tough as their products. From their website:
Most of the knives in the Busse Combat line feature thick, beefy blades with thick edges and full flat grinds. The blade geometry makes for great chopping and cutting abilities. Strider knives in large part seem geared towards more tactical applications, in the sense that their designs sacrifice some utilitarian aspects for strength and heft, with sharp points for piercing or stabbing.
The PAB model seems like the only one that could compete with Busse in the chopping category, but its steep grinds take away from cutting ability, while ATS-34 hardened to 60-61 RC will not sustain the abuse from chopping that INFI will.
Finally, handle comfort, ergonomics, and prices are clearly superior with the Busse line.
Most of the knives in the Busse Combat line feature thick, beefy blades with thick edges and full flat grinds. The blade geometry makes for great chopping and cutting abilities. Strider knives in large part seem geared towards more tactical applications, in the sense that their designs sacrifice some utilitarian aspects for strength and heft, with sharp points for piercing or stabbing.
The PAB model seems like the only one that could compete with Busse in the chopping category, but its steep grinds take away from cutting ability, while ATS-34 hardened to 60-61 RC will not sustain the abuse from chopping that INFI will.
Finally, handle comfort, ergonomics, and prices are clearly superior with the Busse line.
For the money, I would have to say a STRIDER. I have put my WB through some serious abuse over the past four years, and it is still in great shape. I have pounded it into granite and used it as a peton( thanks for the idea Ranger Dave). I have dug numerous hides and shelters with it. I have hacked and sliced all kinds of things with it, and it has performed incredibly. I have cut apart cars, other knives, the hinges off of a CONEX box. The only damage ever, were small chips that still left the knife very functional. Normally one would not use a knife for those purposes, but I was conducting some durability testing. It is nice to know what your knife can do though. I think one should develop their preference from use. Not everyone is built the same, and some features are more adventageous to others.
Take care gents,
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Take care gents,
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