Butcher’s knife steel.

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My brother-in-law opened up a butchers shop and my wife and I are going to have a knife made for him. What’s is the best steel for a butchers knife? I can’t figure out if being stainless matters. I would assume ease of sharpening would be a plus but holding the edge longer would be better. Not sure if you can get both in one steel, much less all three. But I’m far from an expert. All advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you BF.
 
Back in the day, my family owned a meat market and as, fas as I could tell and can remember, every knife used was made of plain old carbon steel because they were cheap and easy to sharpen. There was always a lot of blade on sharpening steel action going on. LOL! ;)

There are many more steel options now than there were then and you can probably find all of the knives you need to run a butcher shop in whatever type of steel that you like but they may be more expensive than you'd like.
 
I would ask him what he needs, but if you want to surprise him then good old 1095 carbon steel (A2 or O1 would also be good) would work nicely. It will eventually dull, so easy resharpening is really important. I would get him a set of Old Hickory knives personally, they are good working tools.
 
My understanding, from some meat-cutters I hung around with a few years ago, is that many inspectors and authorities require stainless knives and hooks in commercial establishments. Carbon steel is considered unsanitary.

Check into the local rules first, I’d say.

Parker
 
My understanding, from some meat-cutters I hung around with a few years ago, is that many inspectors and authorities require stainless knives and hooks in commercial establishments. Carbon steel is considered unsanitary.

Check into the local rules first, I’d say.

Parker

That's a different "modern day, nanny state issue" that obviously will control what is used in a butcher shop these days.

However, how many people ever gotten sick or died from using a carbon steel knife?

If it was really an issue, I would have gotten sick YEARS ago because almost all of the knives that I use in my kitchen have carbon steel blades; some of which I inherited from my father (a sous chef) that he used over 60 years ago.
 
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In every butchers shop I can recall being in(coming from someone who used to live on Slaughterhouse Rd.), the butcher is using some version of a poly handled stain free carbon steel. Dexter Russell, Mundail, Victorinox etc. these knives are relatively cheap, easy to touch on a honing steel throughout the day and don’t mind being knocked off of a table, tossed into a sink, or dropped into a stainless holder. They are relatively light weight and comfortable to use all day with enough texture on the handle for a sure grip.

If you are dead set on having something made for “work” I’d suggest AEBL stainless and textured G10 patterned after a 10” Dexter butchers knife.




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This is pretty spot on IMO ... most butchers use basic knives that aren't expensive because they take a lot of abuse. If you want to get a custom knife made to give him a nicer one I also would recommend AEB-L.
In every butchers shop I can recall being in(coming from someone who used to live on Slaughterhouse Rd.), the butcher is using some version of a poly handled stain free carbon steel. Dexter Russell, Mundail, Victorinox etc. these knives are relatively cheap, easy to touch on a honing steel throughout the day and don’t Ming being knocked off of a table, tossed into a sink, or dropped into a stainless holder. They are relatively light weight and comfortable to use all day with enough texture on the handle for a sure grip.

If you are dead set on having something made for “work” I’d suggest AEBL stainless and textured G10 patterned after a 10” Dexter butchers knife.
 
I would ask him what he needs, but if you want to surprise him then good old 1095 carbon steel (A2 or O1 would also be good) would work nicely. It will eventually dull, so easy resharpening is really important. I would get him a set of Old Hickory knives personally, they are good working tools.

My understanding, from some meat-cutters I hung around with a few years ago, is that many inspectors and authorities require stainless knives and hooks in commercial establishments. Carbon steel is considered unsanitary.

Check into the local rules first, I’d say.

Parker
Those "inspectors" and "authorities" are morons, who refuse to admit that "sanitary" is a myth.
Anything and everything exposed to the atmosphere is instantly contaminated with bacteria, viruses, mold spores, dust, etc. that is found naturally in the air.
They refuse to admit that people have been using plain old carbon steel (also wood cutting boards, plates, bowls, forks and spoons*)for thousands of years, and the "humans" haven't gone extinct yet.
Stainless steel wasn't even invented until the mid 1920's or so. What do they think commercial food establishments and butcher shops used before stainless steel was invented?

*Wood is naturally antimicobic. Glass, Granite, and Marble aren't. Also, granite and marble are highly porus.
Yet those "inspectors" and the idiots that write the regulations ignore all scientific evidence, and require glass, granite, marble, or plastic cutting boards, which are far from being "sterile", even after washing, stainless steel knives and cook ware
(again, people have used cast iron, cook wear since iron was discovered, and cooked on rocks, or stuck a piece of wood in their meat to cook it. People haven't gone extinct from using cast iron or hotdog/marshmallow sticks yet, either.)
 
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Check local health regulations first. In Texas our favorite BBQ joint and the butcher shop all use carbon steel knives. In Alberta (Texas Norte) most of the butcher shops use the white handled stainless stuff.
 
As mentioned AEB-L seems like a great choice.

It's pretty regularly used by custom makers to make kitchen knives.

It gets very sharp, has a stable edge, won't chip, decent edge-holding, is very easy to sharpen (if the RC hardness isn't too high), cheap, and stainless.
 
Thanks for all the replies. He actually has two victorinox blades like you mentioned, 3fifty7. So maybe they have exactly what they need. And as other posts pointed out, what they want. Thank you all for the help. Merry Christmas, y’all.
 
Expensive: Vanax, MagnaCut, Cruwear
Mid tier: 3V, Elmax, S35VN
Common tier: 12C27 (14C28N), AEB-L, Nitro-V, AUS10a, D2, 154CM

Those are ones I have experienced good toughness amd stainless qualities with (except Magnacut, havent used it yet), especially bone. If I had to pick one from each category: Cruwear, Elmax, 154CM.

If I had to narrow it down to one, I'd say get 154CM.

My thoughts:)
Have fun shopping!
 
To clarify: I am NOT claiming that CS blades are unsanitary! I have them, like them, use them all the time.

I am saying that the OP’s BIL works in a business where morons with authority can shut him down, and that fact will affect the knives he can use. It’s better to check that out now, instead of $200 later. I love carbon steel, but I have no way of convincing my local morons, much less yours.

Another thing is, butchers go through knives pretty quickly. My buddies used mostly Vics, and they ordered them about 4 dozen at a time. I still have a couple here somewhere that started out 1-1/8” wide, and after 4-6 months of use, there’s about 1/2” left. “Grab a new one from the box, and save that one for Parker and his weird knife experiments.”

Parker
 
I understand that many Henckels knife sets came with Henckel-stamped Dick steels. That made me want to acquire a smooth one some years ago. I have many steels now, but my favorite is still a stag handle Dick.

Maybe that would be a good gift for the BIL, especially if he’s not in love with the steel he has now. Perhaps a F. Dick gift certificate.

Parker
 
15N20 Svord

Curved Skinner 5 3/4​

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Length of Blade (inches)5 3/4"
Over All Length (inches)10 3/4"
Blade ShapeCurved Skinner
Handle MaterialMahogany and Brass
Steel Specifications15N20
Blade Thickness (mm)2.2mm
SheathLeather

310 Boning​

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Length of Blade (inches)5 1/2"
Over All Length (inches)10 3/8"
Blade ShapeBoning
Handle MaterialNZ Walnut
Steel Specifications15N20
SheathLeather
 
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