Butyl acetate

[Dan Gray]

any of you chem guys or other wise, know where I can get a gal or two of this stuff ??
I don't need and 55 gal drum of it.. thanks for any help...

 

[Steven Penner]

Dan

I would try Automotive painters or auto paint suppliers

as

lacquer thinner

although lacquer thinner may be mixed with some other solvents

 

[fitzo]

Dan, I checked the couple "hobbyist chemical" supplier links I have and they don't carry it. I then checked two laboratory chem suppliers, JT Baker and Aldrich Chemical. These places are known to have outrageous prices for those that don't have a large corporate contract. All they carry is high-purity lab-grade material. I was somewhat staggered to find it runs about $200/gallon.

Steven's idea is the best one. Find a commercial use like autobody and see if you can track it down as "technical grade" material through that type of industrial supplier. It might be hard to find uncut in anything less than drum quantities. A little searching said the other places it's frequently used besides lacquers is in the ink and adhesive industries.

I enjoy the sweet odor of n-butyl acetate. We used to buy it by the tank car load for a process to make plant growth hormones.

Good luck with your search.

 

[Steven Penner]

Dan

If you need it pure:
I looked it up in Sigma

As Fitzo said - ACS Reagent grade is useful without being super high purity priced


http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/search/ProductDetail/SIAL/402842

$46 US per pint



with this kind of thing - Has-mat packaging, shipping and documentation can double the cost of small shipments in the blink of an eye

part # & $
402842-500ML $46.00
402842-1L $63.10
402842-2L $88.30

 

[Dan Gray]

thanks guys
Mike I had hoped you'd see this.. I know you've been there in that field..

I'm not going to use it as a thinner. like acetone.

if I got my info straight this stuff is food grade use at a low PPM it's the berry smell you get from some candies and such as I'm sure why you like the smell I like it too.. I believe it's a citric acid of a sort ?, though I don't want to use it as a food or in food.. ..

I found a product with this stuff in it and the cas# I believe to be 123-86-4

I had it in the puter and we just had a Storm roll through and we lost power so you know where that went
I'll have to look it up again to be sure of the Cas # now..

what I'm up to is making the liquid for a waterless urinal the only two things used is vegetable oil and this stuff for the berry smell ,, I know,, I'm a little , I want to do it myself.... and at times told a little strange

you can see one of these here
http://www.falconwaterfree.com/how/index.htm

going green :thumbup:
thanks for that link I'll look it over to see if it's what I'm looking for.. :thumbup:

 

[Dan Gray]

looks like the stuff

the risk factor 10-66-67 looks OK too..
I love this place somebody always knows something about something
thanks a bunch guys ..

edited I don't need it pure it's just going to be pee'd on anyway

 

[Keith_H]

what about the slick surface to take place of the water?

 

[fitzo]

Dan, have you tried simply making some shavings off a scented candle and seeing if it'll dissolve in some veggie oil? Heat it up in a cup in a pan of hot water. That might work for you.

The "berry smell" (more like apple to me) of butyl acetate will only smell like that in low concentrations. After that, it just smells like the solvent. If you go out and buy some, just buy a small amount to try.

Another thing to try is just a drop or two of an "essential oil" from some new age crystal power shoppe. That way you could piss into patchouli one week, vanilla the next. Just think, nice little clouds of hibiscus wafting up to complete that relaxing sensation! LOL

 

[fitzo]

BTW, any kind of silicone oil will work for this application, too, and it won't go rancid.

 

[Dan Gray]

what about the slick surface to take place of the water?

not sure what you mean Keith ?

the oil is lighter than water or in this case the Urine
which seals the smells in the trap
the top surface of oil is below the top surface of the urinal/trap aria
the trap traps the oil in place by it floating in a, you might call a baffle on top of the urine.

Dan, have you tried simply making some shavings off a scented candle and seeing if it'll dissolve in some veggie oil? Heat it up in a cup in a pan of hot water. That might work for you.

The "berry smell" (more like apple to me) of butyl acetate will only smell like that in low concentrations. After that, it just smells like the solvent. If you go out and buy some, just buy a small amount to try.

Another thing to try is just a drop or two of an "essential oil" from some new age crystal power shoppe. That way you could piss into patchouli one week, vanilla the next. Just think, nice little clouds of hibiscus rising up to complete that relaxing sensation! LOL

Mike that's Idea

that relaxing sensation!
I could get use to that
MY luck though the wife would put some under my noise while I'm sleeping and I'd end up pissing the bed while a sleep you know by association

 

[Dan Gray]

BTW, any kind of silicone oil will work for this application, too, and it won't go rancid.

I never thought of that
now I have more questions .. I have a private septic ..
being silicone would it be biodegradable?
and I wonder if the Butyl Acetate will stay in suspension/mixed in a silicone oil ?
I wonder now if the Butyl Acetate is added to help the oils from becoming rancid ? if that's possible? Hmmm

But, too as far as the septic goes, they claim usage of these are upward to 1500 uses before a charge of this mix has to be changed, so for private use one charge would go for a long time.. not much would end up in the septic in a years time anyway I'm thinking.. unless I do end up with a rancid problem in time prompting a change needed at that time ?

Mike you mentioned too, that small amounts of the Butyl Acetate smell fruity but large amounts don't, so this would lead me to believe that maybe a very small ratio of Butyl Acetate to oil is used in this application, if this the case using a drop or two at a time, Maybe, a pint of Butyl Acetate will last forever for private use ,,
your thoughts?

 

[fitzo]

Dan, I have my doubts about the complete biodegradability of silicone oils. Partially, perhaps, but not completely. Considering the small amounts necessary to coat the surface (a couple drops), it might not present a problem to your septic field. That said, I can't answer you with any certainty.

Regarding the butyl acetate amount...I agree that you should buy a very small amount, especially at first to experiment with. It shouldn't take more than a few drops per charge to get the effect you seek.

I'll mention again testing your idea with an essential oil used in aroma therapy. It'll be much cheaper to experiment with than buying butyl acetate from a chemical supplier, and should be more readily available in some storefront in your area.

BTW, you could always try this handydandy modern-day social-acceptabilty product: http://www.justadrop.net/

 

[Dan Gray]

Dan

If you need it pure:
I looked it up in Sigma

Steve I don't need it pure
do you know of a place that sells it in less of a pure state ? .. TY

Dan, I have my doubts about the complete biodegradability of silicone oils. Partially, perhaps, but not completely. Considering the small amounts necessary to coat the surface (a couple drops), it might not present a problem to your septic field. That said, I can't answer you with any certainty.

Regarding the butyl acetate amount...I agree that you should buy a very small amount, especially at first to experiment with. It shouldn't take more than a few drops per charge to get the effect you seek.

I'll mention again testing your idea with an essential oil used in aroma therapy. It'll be much cheaper to experiment with than buying butyl acetate from a chemical supplier, and should be more readily available in some storefront in your area.

BTW, you could always try this handydandy modern-day social-acceptabilty product: http://www.justadrop.net/

Thanks Mike..
the web site just a drop, is on the same lines as what I'm doing I'd say, in the way it works.. if I buy the butyl acetate , it will be because I've bought the urinal and I'll use it anyway.
oil and butyl acetate is the only two ingredients in the stuff,, I just couldn't find it in a smaller amount..
maybe I'll make some hard candies with it too if I can't use it all

I might mention too that different manufactures of these traps make them to hold different amounts of the mixture depending on their design some hold a pint of it and some seem to be only a few OZ's.
again Thanks..

 

[Steven Penner]

Dan

No other cheap sources known to me i'm afraid.

Now that i know the application, I would use fitzo's suggestion for a DIY project.

The oil floats on the water in a trap and seals odour.
The BA smells nice.

I would give it a try with mineral oil and
any type of essential oil - from the local hippie/health shops should do the trick.

When you connect this to drain, use plastic pipe if allowable by code.
the Uric acid will destroy steel.

 

[Dan Gray]

Dan

No other cheap sources known to me i'm afraid.

Now that i know the application, I would use fitzo's suggestion for a DIY project.

The oil floats on the water in a trap and seals odour.
The BA smells nice.

I would give it a try with mineral oil and
any type of essential oil - from the local hippie/health shops should do the trick.

When you connect this to drain, use plastic pipe if allowable by code.
the Uric acid will destroy steel.

yes, you know it... it's all made with PVC though .

Mineral oil sounds good, that won't turn rancid .. thanks


Mike that just a drop stuff has a money back warranty ,,,
I wonder if they get any used stuff back

 

[Deweyknives]

If you use HT oil & aroma therapy, you can pee & quench at the same time!!:barf::barf:

[sorry....I just had to...]

Interesting concept,Dan. I have a camper that has seen its last camping trip. I wonder if I can set up the toilet as a shop fixture. Never thought about it but I'll have to look at it a little closer.

 

[Keith_H]

I mean, what stops it from getting a layer of urine on the surface of the urinal, where normally it gets washed from the water.

 

[Dan Gray]

If you use HT oil & aroma therapy, you can pee & quench at the same time!!:barf::barf:

[sorry....I just had to...]

Interesting concept,Dan. I have a camper that has seen its last camping trip. I wonder if I can set up the toilet as a shop fixture. Never thought about it but I'll have to look at it a little closer.

blak :barf:
remember you can't flush the unit or the stuff will be gone..

 

[Dan Gray]

I mean, what stops it from getting a layer of urine on the surface of the urinal, where normally it gets washed from the water.

ok I see...
it's recommended to wipe it down with a disinfectant every day or so, depending it's use..
I have a water/urinal in my bath room now and it needs cleaning just the same, from splashing here and there , water staining, steel grindings from my clothing , you know that normal stuff