Buying a gun

bradpierson26

bradpierson26

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Question: im about to buy a rifle from a buddy of mine. he did all the paperwork when he bought it in 2007. is there anything i need to do (like register it) when i buy it from him? i wanna do this by the books....
i live in Colorado if that matters
 
bradpierson26 said:
Question: im about to buy a rifle from a buddy of mine. he did all the paperwork when he bought it in 2007. is there anything i need to do (like register it) when i buy it from him? i wanna do this by the books....
i live in Colorado if that matters
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Nope, you're good to go. (BTW, I'm in Colorado too, and a lawyer to boot.) Enjoy!
 
You should "trade paper".

Colorado law is nice, but the Feds think you should retain proof of whence things came and went... is it for 10 years? Or 20? A bunch, anyway. Just tuck it away someplace.

Serial #, Description, Caliber, names and addresses.
 
Like mack t knife said, do all of that. Just go to the site i linked, go down to the bottom and get all of the information a gun merchant would take. Then have both of you sign off and date it or something, better safe than sorry.
 
mack_t_knife said:
You should "trade paper".

Colorado law is nice, but the Feds think you should retain proof of whence things came and went... is it for 10 years? Or 20? A bunch, anyway. Just tuck it away someplace.

Serial #, Description, Caliber, names and addresses.
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"Trading paper" only benefits the seller. Assuming that the guy's a friend of yours, it wouldn't hurt. But there's no legal benefit to you to do it. Or a requirement to do it either. Your call.
 
And you know, maybe I wasted my time going to law school, taking the bar exam, and practicing law in Colorado for 34 years, cuz apparently some non-lawyer know-it-all in frickin' Connecticut of all places thinks he has it all figured out. Oh, well, such is life.
 
If the seller later claims the gun was stolen, it would be helpful for the buyer to be in possession of a bill of sale.

Not likely, but it covers one's bases.

I'm a lawyer too, but not in Colorado. :)
 
Oh, alright, I've got to give you that. Was thinking more of the federal implications.
 
Can you tell I've spent a fair amount of time in a law firm? This is what it's like - the collegial back-and-forth, abd everybody benefits. God, I don't know how the solo practitioners do it. (Answer: They don't do it very well.)
 
Samael: I agree with you that absent some evidence that the feds actually require proof of a private sale - which I do not believe is the case - this stuff about what "the Feds think" is horse hockey.

Don't agree with you about solo practitioners. Though I don't do it, you have to have some cajones to do it solo. JMO. :)
 
powernoodle said:
Samael: I agree with you that absent some evidence that the feds actually require proof of a private sale - which I do not believe is the case - this stuff about what "the Feds think" is horse hockey. JMO. :)
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Yah, and the beauty of living in Colorado is there AREN'T any state implications. God, the rest of the world should be so lucky.
 
Samael said:
Cojones? Yes. Brains? No.
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Sammy, for the most part, solo practitioners are much too intelligent to make the kind of sweeping and unsupported generalizations that you just did. I would ask you to tell us more about your vast intellect and the relative ignorance of all whom you encounter, but my ignore list now prevents me from reading your responses.

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If the gun is ever confiscated by police, the paperwork might be the difference between getting it back and not.
 
powernoodle said:
Sammy, for the most part, solo practitioners are much too intelligent to make the kind of sweeping and unsupported generalizations that you just did. I would ask you to tell us more about your vast intellect and the relative ignorance of all whom you encounter, but my ignore list now prevents me from reading your responses.

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Mmm, beautiful, perfect. Yeah, stick your head in the sand and avoid confrontation. Yeah, I want that guy to be MY lawyer. Ahem.
 
"Trading paper" is a good thing to do, but only from a personal aspect. It protects both seller and buyer.

Buyer produces bill of sale, dated AFTER that bullet that killed the prostitute was found.

Seller produces bill of sale, dated BEFORE that bullet that killed the prostitute was found.

But in MOST states, there is no legal requirement to trade paper between two private individuals, including Colorado. (I sure miss that place!)

But in Illinois, to legally transfer a firearm between two private parties, both parties must live in the state, both parties must possess a valid FOID card. Both parties must write down, among the obvious information, the FOID number of the other guy.

The seller, per Illinois state law, must keep this record for TEN years, "producible on demand" by any law enforcemnt agency.

So, if I lived in Illinois and owned all my guns for 10 yrs and a day, I sold them all 10 years ago........and I just cleaned out my old file drawer. :D

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I recall reading, in an outdoors magazine I think, about a case where a man sold a rifle at a gun show and then claimed it was stolen (an insurance scam). The gun buyer never knew his gun was "hot" until crossing the border into Canada for a hunting trip...

So yeah, having a record of purchase/sale benefits both parties even if it's not required by law.
 
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