CALIFORNIANS: urgent action item alert - NOT A DRILL

Jim March

Jim March

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Y'all need to call the members of the Assembly Safety Committee TODAY and complain about SB274. Make it short, polite and to the point - the main thing is that they know you're opposed. The main talking point is that it was planned as an attempt to ban cheap, easily "flicked open" pocketknives by labeling them switchblades, but it'll get applied to dang near all pocketknives outside of maybe a SAK or similar.

You can also EMail them.

We've got permission to use the main NRA California legislative contact tool, at:
http://NRAMembersCouncils.com/legs.shtml - one click-link EMails all but one of the Committee members, and another link brings up all their phone numbers.

FLOOD 'EM! This is NO DRILL. For more details, see some of the threads on the AKTI forum.

Moderators: please put a copy of this in Politics, but don't delete it here, this is just too critical!

Jim
 
I certainly hope this does not pass. Talk about a negative impact on the lives of Californians.

I hope everyone realizes just how important it is to stop this.

What is the timeline for passage on this bill?

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Dennis Bible

....Almost here, The Leading Edge....
http://www.theleadingedgeonline.com
 
Being from TN I don't have a dog in the fight, but answer me one question. Why do they feel the need to ban cheap easy to flick knives? What is the point besides a ban on all knives down the road?

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Jason Cadden
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Webmaster
Smoky Mountain Knife Works, Inc.
jcadden@smkw.com
 
I jus fired off this note to all of them

Hello, I would just like to request that you avoid passing SB274 the new law pertaining to knife carry. This law will make carrying a knife that can be opened with one hand fall under the switchblade category. This will cause thousands of Californians to become Criminals, for the simple fact that many law abiding Californians Carry knives. Please do your best for us to help lawmakers understand that a switchblade is a knife that requires having to push a button to activate a spring which inturn releases the blade. Thank you.
 
Thanks for the update, Jim. Emails heading downrange.

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Semper Fi

-Bill
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jcadden:
Being from TN I don't have a dog in the fight, but answer me one question. Why do they feel the need to ban cheap easy to flick knives? What is the point besides a ban on all knives down the road?</font>
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Unfortunately, we all have a dog in this fight. California sets the trends for other States in certain instances.

California is large, and it is a precedent setting State when it comes to gun legislation and I see no difference when it comes to this problem we face...

In answer to your question, the reason they want to ban everything is...very simple.

They don't want you to have a damned thing for you to defend yourself with. It matters not what the device is.

Look to Britain for the future of guns and knives in this country if a clear message is not sent.

 
Don said:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Unfortunately, we all have a dog in this fight.</font>
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And he's quite right, but unfortunately, although our dogs may get run over, those of us who can't vote in California (e.g., because we live in Indiana) can't put much leverage on California legislators.
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Paul


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Paul Neubauer
prn@bsu.edu
A tool is, basically, an object that enables you to take advantage of the laws of physics and mechanics in such a way that you can seriously injure yourself.
 
i don't feel safe in the U.S. any more, or at least i can feel that i won't be in a few years once the situation worsens further. i may have to move to amsterdam. i thought of canada, but figured that they have pompous, cockamamy laws as well. any advice on safe, free places to live?
(don't make it out to seem as though i'm going to abandon the u.s. in its time of need, i'm just keeping an eye on the future in case things don't end up well.)
aleX.

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"i flip you... i flip you for real..."

"come and get one in the yarbles, if you've got any yarbles."
 
Man its getting like the UK every day over there... Good luck my friends, it looks like you need it.

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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
Ranger motto

A few useful details on UK laws and some nice reviews!
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/
Certified steel snob!
 
allex 111...I must agree completely! this is yet another reason for me to move out of CA and over to Montana or Wyoming!!! What's next sharpened sticks? How will we roast our marshmallows? LOL! I'm sending my e-mail today!
 
This is unreal. I've been e-mailing like crazy in resistance of this crap. C'mon guys, Californians or not, a flood of e-mails may help to drive the point home.
E-mail here AsmPubSafety@c36567-d.pinol1.sfba.home.com
and tell them that you urge rejection of this bill.



[This message has been edited by Eric Blair (edited 06-18-2001).]
 
California also has a influence on federal legislation...

Early versions of the Federal assault weapons ban was frist bandied about in Kali before it became national.

I once had a nice Balisong collection in the early eighties, it took a simple stroke of a pen by the California AG to make them illegal.

I was shocked as to how fast a single person authority can criminalize personal property.

So any words of support would be appreciated by us Kali knife knuts; I promise to do the same for you, when you need support in your state.

-Seth

 
I also wrote a letter on behalf of us ALL!!

Let's hope this bill dies a quick death!!

Mike
 
For whoever asked the question about the start of all this, the answer is that one county prosecuting attorney -- Ventura County, I believe -- got the ball rolling, allegedly at the behest of the local police, who were concerned about the local gang bangers using cheap imported knock-off knives, that they can open quickly. So, not sure who is genuinely to blame.

If I have this right, this effort spearheaded by Jim March is actually running counter to the acceptance of the proposed amended measure by AKTI. AKTI is the only organized knife legislation body. It is funded primarily by knife manufacturers. Many custom makers are also members. Many forumites and John Doe types are also members.

I've had a problem with joining because of the lack of communication between the rank and file members and the top end of the outfit. Also, only those ponying up $2K annually in dues are entitled to vote.

At least some may believe that Buck and a couple other large, active knife manufacturers have rolled over on something inappropriate, due to fear of having everything they make be outlawed. Unfortunately, the language of the amended measure is so vague, that carrying a nail file might end up being perceived by the local gendarmes and prosecutors as felonious.

I do believe that indeed this vote is critical, but given the last minute efforts of Jim and many others, I'm sure, hopefully the entire bloody measure will bite the dust, and leave things the way they are. I'm not certain, however, if the vote is only for the bad-tasting changes to the original proposal, if that means the original will sail on through without much opposition. I truly do not understand which is truly a more dangerous position for knife owners and the right to defend one's self.

If, as it appears, the knife owners/citizens in this frenzied effort to change the votes are in fact opposing the official position of AKTI, then something serious needs to be done immediately, to avoid such situations in future.

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Asi es la vida

Bugs
 
Everyone interested in this madness should take a trip over to the AKTI Forum and see for themselves.

I don't think that an Organization that is supposed to be supporting Knife Owners should be supporting Anti-Knife Legislation, especially when it is cosmetic and only serves the purpose of temporarily alleviating the paranoid hysterics of those in the Law Enforcement Community.

Those are harsh words and they are meant to be harsh. Any Police Officer that is terrified of a certain type of knife and feels the need to ban it, needs to take a serious look at all the similar implements available, that cannot be banned, will never be banned, will always be available, and they should re-think their position.

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Usual Suspect
Ipsa scientia potestas est aut disce aut discede
Some of my Knives and other neat things
 
well, I sent a letter, for all the good a Chicago-boy's words will do. Fascists!

R.e. "appeasement" - it's a fine line - the NRA refused to budge on any issue and thus allowed itself to become painted as "extremist" and "out of touch." Legislators legislate, that's the only way they prove that they are actually doing something, so that they can get elected. On the other hand, "throwing them a bone" only opens the door to further controls later on, establishing a precedent of social acceptance for the idea of control. It's a tough strategic issue.

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[previously incarnated as fishface, since 10/98]

the beatings will continue until morale improves
 
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