Came across an interesting question on another forum. Living in a tent...or similar.

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Heya peoples,

As the title says, I came across an interesting question, would it be possible for someone to live in a tent or vehicle for over several months or a year +.
I decided I'd pose the same question here. Maybe we can analyze the level of costs, comfort, security, and cost of living ratios. Let's see what you guys all come up with. I'll be interested to read the replies. I've done things similar, but we won't get into that. Let's pose this in the form of an above minimum wage job, and minimum (or less) wage.
 
It's completely possible. Between 1986 to 1995 I spent a good part of each year living in tents and a VW micro bus. Used to go on tour with the Dead for spring, summer,and fall tours. Sometimes this was done on a truly shoestring budget, other times on a grandiose scale.
 
It's completely possible. Between 1986 to 1995 I spent a good part of each year living in tents and a VW micro bus. Used to go on tour with the Dead for spring, summer,and fall tours. Sometimes this was done on a truly shoestring budget, other times on a grandiose scale.

I bet you have some good memories from those days! :-) The woman who posed the question was wanting advice in hopes of saving up money for land/house. In my own opinion, it could save money, yes, but it would be quite uncomfortable at times, and dangerous in some areas.
 
Your right, it could be quite dangerous depending on the location.I suppose it would be possible to save a bunch of money up if you already owned some property. Or knew someone with land they'd let you squat on. A camper would be the most comfortable of the choices. It's all mind over matter...if you don't mind it don't matter.
 
Know for a fact that it is very possible.
I live north of Baltimore and work in downtown port area.
They are several wooded areas in the interstate exchanges and there are tent cities set up year round.
Visible from the ramps, always have fire going in the colder months... not sure what the police think/ do about this but they are littering and making a mess.... maybe hoping to get arrested so they can sleep indoors.:rolleyes:
 
I know how those, "I know somebody" stories, but I actually do. I work with a quite strange woman, who was basically homeless for somewhere between 7-10 years, while employed. Apparently her & her husband had some serious financial issues as well as his unemployment for the majority of that time. They lived in a tent behind his parents house the entire time. Now, it's not exactly frontier living, as they ran electricity from the main house & used running water inside the home, but it was an extended time inside a tent.
 
Yep I worked with homeless while living in florida where acres of ground were taken up by tent cities just out of eyesight of the general public. How long you live in any particular tent is dependent on a lot of factors. Weather and the environment take their toll, how well you take care of your tent matters and what you're willing to live with all determine how long you can/will use any particular tent.
 
I've lived in a van for months on end, several times. It's many times safer and more convenient by far than in a tent. You and your stuff are a lot better protected in the van (from weather, animals, cops, and thieves. If you move the van 2x a day, morning and evening, nobody will ever notice you, much less realize that you live in it. Don't park in front of occupied homes, or in the same place more than about 1x per month. You can get around on a mountain bike and the bus, so the van need not be "sound". It can have a rod, water pump, etc, going out, cause you don't have to move it more than a 1/2 mile at a time. It can have a bad head gasket or a cracked head, etc. As long as it will start, has breaks, will move a mile or two without overheating or falling apart (ie, $400 van) you can live in it.

You could cook in the van, if need be, but I always took the "candle stove" outside for cooking, because I don't like the smell of smoke or the risk of fire inside where I sleep. Liquid wastes can go in a jar (use a lady j funnel if female) to dispose of later. A litter box works for a cat, why not for you? Put solid wastes in a plastic bag, first rolling them in the litter. Or you can park someplace where you have access to a porta pottie. A "solar shower" bag on the roof provides a warm sponge bath. 5 gallon water bottles provide a water source, and a "Life Straw" belongs in every vehicle. Tinted windows are nice, but you can also just tape Mylar "space blanket" reflector sheeting over them. Everyone will just assume that you are trying to protect the interior from the sun's heat and UV radiation. If you are legally parked, there really is nothing that the cops or anyone else can do about your vehicle (or you). Walmart or big motel parking lots work fine for overnight stays, and any place works for the daytime. Either the library or satellite service provide Net access.

People are crazy to be paying 1/2 of their wages for a place to stay and utilities. You need to save that money and find a way to use it to provide your income, so that you don't remain at the mercy of some employer's whims. While you might have a fine boss, he won't be forever, or the company itself can go under. You don't have to live in the van forever. Just for however long it takes to make a few k, (say to get thru 18 wheeler school). You need not live in your 18-wheeler that long, either. Say a year, while you save up 20. Use that money to buy and fix up a big old house. Then board 12 or more people ($100 a week, each). You need not live in that house long, running it, either. Perhaps a year, while it makes you enough money to buy another such place, fix it up, etc. In the time it would take you to go to college, (and the 1-3 years that you'd need to do nothing but pay off your college loans) you can be set for life, financially. And I don't mean by moving to the third world, either. I mean "clearing", after tax, 80k per year or more, right here in the USA.

Study up for the CLEP test, get into a 4 year college as a junior that way, if you want/need a degree sort of job/career. Or just enroll at a jr college, and keep your grades high enough ( "C's") to keep getting the 5k per year grant and 12 k per year loans coming. For many such places, 3k per year (2 semesters) covers your tuition. The books you can get cheaply, used, from Amazon.com. So they are last year's books, so what? you're not trying for "A" grades and the Professor will tell you the "new" stuff you need to know. You CAN live ok in the van on 4 k per year. I have done so. You can eat on food stamps, or at the missions/churches. So you can save 10k per year, while not having a job, (other than passing your classes). This lets you also do some odd job, $15 an hour cash sidelines, or work for half that much at a day labor place, its up to you. But get out of the "rat race', while you can still be more than just another rat.
 
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Where you live (regionally) makes a big difference on the comfort and safety (and security, for that matter).

If you can find a fairly permanent campsite, with access to wood and water, you can be very comfortable - especially if you get a nice big tent, and tent stove. Obviously, that doesn't work as well for an urban/suburban area though.

I've been toying with the idea of selling everything, getting a nice trailer (airstream type) and going fully mobile... we'll see.
 
It's very feasible to spend next to nothing on housing. $120 a year gets you all the rights of a landowner, if you file a 'mining claim' on BLM property. I intend to have 2, one up north in the mountains for the summer, one down near the border for the winter. Cut a slot back into a hillside for the popup trailer, cover it with a camo net, get back and forth to the van (in town) by means of a small motorcycle.
 
In my own opinion, it could save money, yes, but it would be quite uncomfortable at times, and dangerous in some areas.

That about sums it up. I've camped out for six months or more out of some years before. Ten summers at Philmont, and every night of it spent in a tent. A semester-long program in college, camping out the entire time.
And years as an archaeologist, with many many nights of being comfortably 'homeless'. Work would put us up in motels during the week, or camping out. Then on weekend I'd crash in the nearby national forest. Not only could I not afford an apartment most of the time, but it wasn't worth it for only two nights a week.

Some tips:
Camping is free on National Forest or BLM land as long as you're not in a developed campground.
Buy a decent tent and gear.
Always, always, always keep a quality vehicle and in good working order. Nothing else matters more. If you don't have reliable transportation to get to work, you're boned.
Stay mobile with your gear, and respectful of public lands - don't leave a 'camp' in the woods when you're not around.
Keep an eye and ear open for caretaker jobs, cheap rentals, or shared rentals. Especially if winter's coming.

Look for a job that provides housing: A friend of mine is an engineer and works different job sites. Instead of having the company pay his hotels, he bought a larger camper trailer. The company even moves it site-to-site for him.

You can eat on food stamps, or at the missions/churches.
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I was going to add something about staying truly independent and not being a mooch, or a leach on the rump of society. But I assumed that didn't need saying. Guess I was wrong. :(
 
One of my wife's cousins lived for about 15 years in a tent up in the interior of British Columbia
It was a large canvas tent with dirt floors and rugs hung along the walls for insulation
Raised some kids in it to
With the wood stove going it was as warm as most cabins in the area

Yes she is still a hippy tp this day but now lives in a house on the same property
 
"I know a guy" seems to be the way these start.

I actually do know a guy that's lived in a bus for bout the last 20 years, no electric, no running water, no address.

He does have a cell phone, laptop, and internet, and a college degree.

The last few years he got a generator and a small air conditioner but that's it.

He used to be that kinda cool hippy guy that lived in the bus.

Now 20 years later, he's that kinda creepy guy that lives in a bus.

It's all about perspective, and what you're willing to give up for what you're getting.

I spent 11 months in a tent, slept like a baby, I wouldn't want to do it again tho, but it can be done.
 
On the bushcraft usa forum there was a guy named ihatchetjack that started a thread anouncing that he was going to do it and document it along the way. He had a truck and lived in the back of it, telling the go the bad and the ugly of his experience online when he had access to the internet. It's a cool read. He also has a tube channel with a few cool things on it, but he moved and got a girlfriend so updates to the channel with new stuff are few and far between.

This is a link to his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/IHatchetJack?feature=watch

Sorry I didn't bookmark the thread when I was done reading it, but you can find it with a search. It is on this forum:

http://bushcraftusa.com/forum/forum.php
 
As a person who has to travel about 3/4 of my time for work, it sucks. Nothing beats having your own place to live and being able to sleep in your own bed, it makes you feel human again when your work destroys your soul. I understand that some people are forced into this type of situation, but doing it as a way to save money is not something I would do. There's other ways to make/save money that won't compromise your quality of life to such an extent, in my opinion.
 
I spent a month living in a cheap tent. It was during collage and I didn't live in the dorms. Got in fight with my parents so couldn't get help there or rather wouldn't out of pride. Lost my collage job (shop moved) so off to the woods I headed. It was along a dirt road maybe 200 yards in. Showered at the gym and washed my clothes at the Laundromat. In the end I crashed the truck and had to crawl on my belly back home for help. Not exactly the most spectacular story but it is what is it.
 
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