Camera help please...

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Brothers & sisters, what is the least expensive camera I can purchase to take decent pics of stuff to sell here on BF's? I do not have a smart phone. (flipper)

Thank you in advance.
 
I'd say minimum around 8mp or so. Check out KEH.com if you want a trusted source for used (not like ebay).


-Xander
 
You have to learn the techniques of camera work. All the lighting tricks --diffused or reflected light,no nasty reflections !! The photos by SharpbyCoop are the best examples [sticky on the custom knife section ] Beyond that a fairly simple camera is all you need. Make a good light box .I like taking photos outside [for backgrounds ] but in the shade .
 
Smart phone cameras are at least as good if not better than any of the digital snappy cameras you can get.

If you have to get a camera camera look at the lens first and then the sensor. The light has to get to the sensor and if the lens isn't spectacular you'll be stuck.

If you want an in between snappy and full on DLSR look at mirror-less cameras.
 
I rarely venture out of the traditional forum but I just posted something related to this. Like mete said, it's all about the technique. Lighting will make or break your photo. Indirect sunlight is your friend. For example, these two pics were taken with the same cellphone camera:

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Even "crappy" cameras can take decent pics with the right lighting. Look for something with 8+ mega pixels and the largest sensor you can get. I would avoid superzooms since you'll be shooting things close up and they can be pretty gimmicky. Don't use the built in flash - it will wash everything out and look bad.
 
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Canon S100

I agree. I have a Cannon S90 that I use when I don't want to lose or drop my RX100 III. These older Canon's have metal bodies excellent image quality and are now inexpensive.
 
I'll toss out another vote for the point & shoot Cannon's. When I first started visiting knife forums I didn't have a means of taking decent photographs. It was frustrating to see all the pics without being able to join in and post my own pics. My cell phone is a company provided Samsung Rugby flip phone that takes horrible pictures.

I bought a Cannon A590 in 2009 and I've used it ever since then for all of my knife photos. Nobody would ever call me a skilled photographer but the photos are more than satisfactory. I don't use most of the special settings the camera has. I just turn the flash off and I sometimes use the Macro setting for up close shots. Aside from that I just leave the dial on "Auto" and let the camera do the work.

I don't have a light box but I think it would be the best option. I've had great results taking photos outdoors in the shade as mentioned above.
 
Good higher res photos help sell knives and also mitigate the chances that a buyer will want to reverse the deal. Photobucket allows me to link higher resolution images than the forum will allow.
 
Also, a tripod will help get those tack sharp images. Be it a table top or an inexpensive model, be sure to weigh it down to make it as steady as possible to reduce camera shake. My main digital body is nearly 13 years old and "only" 10.1mp, it's on its second shutter and the rubber grips are peeling. It still is perfectly adequate for nearly anything I need to shoot.

The single common denominator in all photography, good or bad, is lighting. With good lighting use or technique, you can even make a 5mp camera with a halfway decent lens shoot really nice images. Far too often people get wrapped up in buying newer, better, more expensive cameras rather than learning how to light scenes.

More light is the number one thing I recommend, right behind diffuse light. So rather than direct sun, use a white wall or foam core board to reflect light into a shaded area. This does two things, one it eliminates specular highlights (tiny Starburst reflections) and two, it makes the apparent light source much larger giving more even brightness. If you have only a bare bulb desk lamp, get it close, like really close, that makes it aparantly bigger and more even. Cheap cameras can always deal with too much light, but only expensive ones can deal with not enough, well.

MORE LIGHT will always be the first answer.


-Xander
 
The Fujifilm X10 is a handy nicer point and shoot. For that type of camera its great performance wise, Canons tend to have a bit more ease of use though.
 
Wrote this a little over 3 years ago. For web size photos, with the proper technique, you can't tell much difference between a $100 camera and a $3K camera. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1047735-Do-I-need-expensive-camera-gear-to-take-knife-photos-The-answer-lies-within

Good gear doesn't hurt tho ...

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Get any camera that can shoot RAW. Get a white balance reference like a whibal. Use the whibal to accurately set the color of your RAW files when you convert them to .jpg. Use bright indirect light, daytime shade works well for novices. Using those few techniques will make you better than 90 percent of web photographers. Don't pay an outrageous amount for photos, learn to do them yourself. It ain't rocket science ... I've done that too.
 
Holy sheep dip Batman! I've been out-of-town and am just reviewing this for the first time. You fellers have given me a lot to chew on. I guess now I'll have to re-read all...very slowly, then price cameras and make a light box? What else?
 
If you use a tripod and enough light, you can even use something like a $39 Walmart clearance priced camera. Even something like a 5mp camera will take good images if you use enough light and a tripod.

Notice a theme yet? Most people are saying to work the light first, then any old camera will work.

-Xander
 
Thank you Mr. Riot and EVERYBODY. If I do go outside, no direct sunlight, use a tripod and turn the flash off?

Chief - those knives are beautiful.
 
You can even get away without the tripod. It's handy though if you're staging up and shooting a dozen or so shots of the same or a bunch of different knives.

Long low AM and PM light is the "best". But it doesn't last very long.
 
Thank you Mr. Riot and EVERYBODY. If I do go outside, no direct sunlight, use a tripod and turn the flash off?

Chief - those knives are beautiful.

You won't want to use a flash for up close photography, it will wash out your subject. You don't necessary need a tripod but it will be very useful.
 
When I say thank you to everybody, it just doesn't seem like enough. But seriously, I do mean it.

I guess I should have said in the beginning that I have a prehistoric HP Photosmart, R607, 4.1 MP, and 21x zoom.

Is this camera decent enough if I follow you're guidelines or should I consider upgrading a tad to a decent Canon? I'm tired of apologizing for my crappy photos and like someone said, the pics will greatly enhance the selling aspect of the item. I guess that's why I'm here talking to my fellow experts. My Dad always said, son, give the dough to the baker. :) Maybe I want to become a baker!

Cannonball, sorry to not mention your beautiful knife!
 
Here's a little visual of direct sun light vs diffuse light (open shade, reflected off white wall) vs single source very close.

Here's direct sun, it becomes a very small light source which creates very harsh shadows and those tiny little Starburst reflections...

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Next is light reflected off a near by wall and coming through a window. The wall becomes a very large light source and softens the shadows as well as reducing the highlights...

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Lastly, this is a type of large light source, a single drafting lamp placed about 8" away from the object and I used printer paper taped all the way around to reflect light back in. A single 100w bulb too.

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Now, the last one was taken with a 5.1mp Nikon S1 that I bought many years ago (for nearly $750!) And the quality is just fine for Web viewing. I still have that camera and use it for giggles every so often.

The purpose of a tripod is to get as crisp a shot as possible. I also like to use the timer, set it and step back so you don't shake the camera when you press the shutter release. On my DSLR I use a remote release, mirror lock up and long exposure times as low iso if need be.

Hope this helps a bit! Try these tips with your current camera and you may find that it works OK for what you want.


-Xander
 
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