I think that we should all note that Camillus got somewhat slammed by the results of the 7 inch test. Yet have you seen their response? No statement that it wasn't fair to compare them with the others or that it was a knife that slipped through. No they said that they would learn from it and would build a better knife. Horrah for real men. Real men don't whine. Think I'll go buy a Camillus just to show support. Also, we all love to test for the best knife but when you think about all those guys who have depended on the old Camillus and Ka-bars in battle over many years now are they really that inferior. There are alot of older vets out there who would swear buy these old designs and many of them have alot more combat exposure than most of us.