Camillus Closes

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Camillus Cutlery closes its doors for good at 3 p.m. eastern time today.

This is from today's Syracuse (NY) Post-Standard:


Camillus Cutlery's Era Comes to Close
Embattled manufacturer to shut its doors for final time Wednesday, February 28, 2007

By Tim Knauss
Staff writer

From 1942 to 1945, Camillus Cutlery Co. made more than 15 million knives for U.S. soldiers. The company's 700 employees filled three shifts.

After the war, the cutlery thrived making Boy Scout knives, hunting knives and a variety of other blades.

But Camillus Cutlery has been decimated in recent years, the victim of tough competition from foreign manufacturers.

At the end of business today, the company will close, leaving its remaining three dozen employees without jobs, said Kathy Westcott, president of United Steelworkers Local 4783, the union representing company workers.

"This place used to be an excellent place to work," said Westcott, who took her first job at the cutlery nearly 30 years ago. "It's very upsetting."

Westcott said she does not believe workers will receive a severance package. The managers and owners of the family-owned business declined to comment, according to a woman who answers the phones.

Camillus Cutlery is one of several knife manufacturers to succumb to foreign competition, said David Barrack, executive director of the American Edged Products Manufacturers Association. Several manufacturers have shut down or curtailed operations in recent years, including Imperial Schrade Corp., once the largest knife manufacturer in the world, which closed in 2004.

"It's really staggering the number of companies that have closed as a result of offshore competition and the rising cost of doing business here in the United States," Barrack said.

The cutlery trade group petitioned the U.S. International Trade Commission during the 1980s for relief from low-priced imports but failed to persuade the commission to impose duties, Barrack said.

The original growth of Camillus Cutlery can be traced to such duties imposed during the 19th century.

Adolph Kastor, the German immigrant who built Camillus Cutlery into a name brand, started a New York City business in 1876 to import German-made knives. He sought a manufacturing operation only after tariffs imposed in 1897 made the blades too expensive to import, according to a company history.

In 1902, Kastor bought a 20-person cutlery in Camillus that had been founded by Charles Sherwood in 1894. Camillus Cutlery has always operated in the heart of the village, its buildings sprawled alongside Nine Mile Creek.

Mayor Ed Fletcher said he was shocked by news of the closing.

"It's our image," he said. "We're known as Camillus Cutlery."

The village erected four road signs in 1999 that say, "Welcome to the village of Camillus, home of the world famous Camillus Cutlery."

Struggling with foreign competition, the business endured a bitter six-month-long strike in 2006. When the strike ended in November, the company hired back only 15 of the 78 workers who had gone out.

In the aftermath of the strike, employees assumed the end was near, said Bill Slate, 35, of Warners, who has worked at the plant for 15 years.

"We kind of knew," he said.

The federal government has made union employees of the company eligible for Trade Adjustment Assistance, because their jobs were lost to foreign competition. That gives them access to extended unemployment insurance, training and other benefits, Westcott said.

Sixteen of the roughly 35 employees are union members, Westcott said.

Westcott, whose only job has been at the cutlery, said there were more than 400 employees when she started as a 20-year-old in 1977. She spent her next-to-last day packing Boy Scout knives into boxes.

"Oh, kids," she said, "You just don't realize."
 
A sad day, but I think they're overplaying "foreign competition" and not even mentioning other factors.

-Bob
 
The best knives are made here. but the cheep chinese knock offs sell like crazy to kids at flea markets.
 
Cheap foreign knock-offs always sold, but so did good American or German or Japanese or other quality products, to the older and wiser among us.

Camillus succumbed to poor business practices as much as anything else, but saying so would deprive the employees of those extended Federal benefits.

It's a shame they couldn't hold on and maybe resuscitate the company some time in the future. Now they'll probably sell the name and dilute the image of the good old days.
 
I guess that's what unions do. You can't pay a guy $50,000 a year to sweep the floor at a factory. You can, but then you go under. Look at Ford, Chrysler, GM. You also cannot pay a person their wage for the rest of their life after they retire. Something has to give. Survival of the fittest.
 
The best knives are made here. but the cheep chinese knock offs sell like crazy to kids at flea markets.

Bob is correct when he says that forign compition is over played.

It is not the flea markets that hurts so much as it is Wal-Mart, Lowes, Home Depot and the other big box stores. All pushing china and low-low prices.

One of the reasons the compoany failed was because they tried to import cheap crap rather than make the great knives they could have. I had lots of knives on order and they quit delivering more than a year ago.

What really hurts is "What could have been"

Management has to bear the blame. They failed to react properly to 9/11 and to the influx of cheap knives from China.

A. G.
 
I don't know all of the reasons behind this, but I regret the closure. I really try to buy American. But like most of you I guess, I have knives from Japan and the Swiss too.
 
What really hurts is "What could have been"A. G.

Without knowing all the behind the scene workings, the "what could have been" is tragic. It's sad to hear about things like this. Not just for the knife industry, but the families of the workers as well. :(
 
It is a shame.

I have to agree with AG Russell and Esav...selling loads of crap is a seductive business model, but quality wins in the end, regardless of price.

Think cars. Yugo - cheap crap - gone. Hyundai - cheap quality (apparently) - still around. Delorean - expensive crap - gone. Ferrari - expensive quality - still around.
 
The problem primarily was IMO from management, they failed to either move to a more exclusive market and lock out the competition and/or they also failed to modernize the machines and processes to be able to compete against the low cost sector.

Wages to workers may have played a role, but I bet it was pretty minor.
 
THere's plenty of places to place the blame, but that doesn't matter. The end result is that one of our nation's greats is gone.
 
THere's plenty of places to place the blame, but that doesn't matter. The end result is that one of our nation's greats is gone.

Good point, the other result is that a lot of good folks are probably out of work.

Really is too bad across the board.
 
Times change, systems degrade, entropy eventually rules, but the world does not inevitably go downhill within our society and our lifetimes. We see Schrade and Camillus gone, but Spyderco, Benchmade and Kershaw thrive.

The Survival

Securely, after days
Unnumbered, I behold
Kings mourn that promised praise
Their cheating bards foretold.

Of earth constricting Wars,
Of Princes passed in chains,
Of deeds out-shining stars,
No word or voice remains.

Yet furthest times receive,
And to fresh praise restore,
Mere breath of flutes at eve,
Mere seaweed on the shore.

A smoke of sacrifice;
A chosen myrtle-wreath;
An harlot's altered eyes;
A rage 'gainst love or death;

Glazed snow beneath the moon --
The surge of storm-bowed trees--
The Caesars perished soon,
And Rome Herself: But these

Endure while Empires fall
And Gods for Gods make room....
Which greater God than all
Imposed the amazing doom?

--- Rudyard Kipling​
 
Just looking real quick the BK 11's that were $30 at Christmas are $65 now. I don't even think that most hi-cap mags doubled that quick back in 1994.
 
...they quit delivering more than a year ago.
And there you have it. Add that to the reported legal problems with Cold Steel, Ethan Becker, and other business partners including material suppliers. It's apparant that the management had objectives other than the long-term operations and success of the company.

Now factor in the overseas competition, inconsistant quality, labor strike, and changing roll of knives in American culture.

All of those things together are the cause of today's news.
Just my opinion, of course.
-Bob+
 
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