Can anyone ID this old folder?

glocker199

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I got this knife passed down from my grandfather's collection and it originally belonged to his father which would date it back to probably the late 1800s. I can't make out any markings at all. Just hoping someone might recognize the style.


 
Glocker, I could be wrong, but without knowing the dimensions, it looks similar to me to an early Australian colonial pattern known as a Dover knife.

The Dover knife was popular here, it seems, from the early 1800s to the 1890s. It was a basic springback clasp knife, usually with a four or five inch spearpoint blade, with a swedge that was sometimes sharpened for piercing, that extended from the tip back to about a quarter of the length of the blade.

I only know of one surviving example, which is in the Maritime Museum of Tasmania. However, there are many references to the pattern by name in shipping records, criminal court cases and archaic Australian slang and bush ballads.



Here's some references from an early Australasian dictionary.



There were well plied shipping lines between England (where they would probably have been made - possibly in Sheffield), Australia and the US during this time and earlier, related to whaling, the general mercantile trade, and the 1850s gold rushes and their aftermath.

Of course, it would have been an easy enough pattern for any regional working cutler to replicate in different sizes, once he had seen one. To my eye, it appears to be an intermediate pattern that harks back to the earlier gully knife and predates the more sophisticated patterns that developed with the widespread use of crucible steel.

Can you post some more details on the dimensions and top and bottom views? And there's no hint of any markings on the blade or tang, you say? Is there any maritime or gold rush migration history in your family?

I've been compiling what information I can find on the Dover and another type of knife for a future post on Australian traditional patterns - I don't know how much interest there would be in it though!
 
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Looks like you may have found your answer glocker, nice knife friend. Looks like it has some age and I love the match strike nail knick. Cambertree, as a lover of traditional folders and their history, I find your research fascinating. Meant to commend you on your knowledge a couple of days ago but have just got round to it. Sir, you know your onions, and I for one would certainly be interested to hear more. :thumbup:

More photos please glocker! :)
 
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Thank you Cambertree! This one is much smaller with about a 2.5" blade and no Visable markings anywhere. Considering the heavy patina, it's entirely possible that there may be something under there somewhere.
 
Cheers mate, very kind of you, Blake the Blade!

One of the puzzles I've been trying to get more info about is where the Dover name came from. Most references say it was a makers name, but I think this is to be taken with a grain of salt. I have found one reference that says there were Dover marked shears as well. I wonder if it was a regional pattern? I understand that Midlands and Southern English patterns were subject to much more parochial variation in toolmaking than up North. At least that's the impression I get taking say, billhook patterns as an example.

Devon's just up the coast from you, innit?

I wonder if Our Man In Leeds knows any more on the subject?
 
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Thank you Cambertree! This one is much smaller with about a 2.5" blade and no Visable markings anywhere. Considering the heavy patina, it's entirely possible that there may be something under there somewhere.

Thanks Glocker!

Is it possible you could post some top and bottom photos of this fascinating knife?

I'm going to hazard a guess that even if it's not a Dover knife, it predates the late 19th century by a little bit.
 
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