Can anyone shine some light on this “Pre 1965 Schrade 8OT”

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This knife is for sale on eBay: $299.99 with a $60 discount; it could be yours for only $239.99.

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The seller states:
“Pre-1965 Schrade Walden 8OT with Sawcut Delrin Handles with the Old Timer Shield and Brilliant Nickel Silver Bolsters with Brass Liners and Hardened Carbon Blades with a wonderful Patina lightly accenting the blades and springs. Made within the first five years of production this 8OT Senior Rancher doesn't appear to have been used, carried and most definitely never Sharpened. Factory edges and the factory Mill-cut on each blade with a Match strike long pull on the main blade. For time sensitive collections and Knife enthusiasts around the globe this is without a doubt a catch. It has been washed gently with soft soap and a soft bristle brush and this is the residue seen on the handles. A magnificent collectible and you could most definitely carry it as an EDC-Everyday Carry Knife if you wish. If you are a Collector or knife enthusiast then you're definitely going to consider adding this rare and early piece of Schrade Walden history to your current collection. YOU BE THE JUDGE”

As a Schrade Collector: collecting 8OT from 1959 to 2004, I have never seen a “Pre 65 8OT” Other than the 1959 Bone handled 8OT.

This is the reply the seller sent to my questions about this 8OT, they have for sale:

“Now as for the listing
you've attached this Question too it is one of the first Schrade 8-OT Old
Timers Made within the first five years of Production of the 8-OT Old Timer
which began in 1960. This is a 1965 or older item by its’ own
Identification Stamp and Make-up. After 1965 Schrade began subletting the
handle materials to Rodgers and shortly afterwards Rodgers Facility would
burn down and Schrade Made The switch back to the factory in Ellenville.
8-OT's after 65 to 1973 began being stamped differently for one reason and
the other is the Match Strike pull was only done until April of 1965
shortly before subletting the handle materials out. The Third fact revolves
around the Model number and its’ location on the rear of the main blade
Tang. After 65 it was consolidated to the front of the tang ad below the
other stampings. In 1966 Schrade would drop the Walden in Schrade Walden
and it was now Schrade N.Y. USA 8OT in a smaller font which incidentally
was also subletted to Camillus USA as Mr. Baer owned both and had certain
functions preformed in certain areas of his organization. In 1973 it would
change once again as production was getting caught up and the Tangs would
now read Schrade USA 8OT. In 1980 once again the tangs would change again
with carry over.”
 
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G'day Ken, the 1963 Schrade Walden Safari Sets, both style sets, contained similar 8OT's with Delrin handles, matchstrike nail niques and 8OT stamped on pile side master tang....for once that seller may have accidentally more or less described reasonably accurately except for condition.......nuff' said....ever bought anything at Airport Shops and wondered if they are ever in touch with reality with their prices?.....I suggest they are airport type prices on everything.....a donation for a perhaps worthy cause is another thing altogether.......Hoo Roo

P.S. Schrade got a bit 'cute' with its advertising descriptions in its flyers from about 1962 on..describing the new fangled Delrin handles as "Meerschaum bone" to continue with their early theme from the 1959 Old Timer line of genuine bovine bone handles....
Even 'Mother Hubbard' would not have been able to find 'Rover' a bone on those Old Timer handles from about 1962 on.. IMO....lol....
 
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The seller (ditwtexas) is a trickster. All of his descriptions are probably as authentic as his charity. No light to shed. All of his auctions are grossly overpriced in hopes of hooking a sucker. The 8OT is a typical Schrade Walden NY USA made up until 1973.
 
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thawk said:
The seller (ditwtexas) is a trickster. All of his descriptions are probably as authentic as his charity. No light to shed. All of his auctions are grossly overpriced in hopes of a hooking sucker. The 8OT is a typical Schrade Walden NY USA made up until 1973.
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I just hate to see young people being fed lies, trying to take advantage of them.
However, I did like the story about that special "Dated 8OT" and how Mr Bear getting Camillus to make some of the parts to finish it off.
We can only gees what part of the knife was made at the Schrade factory, now we now know the handle materials came from Rodgers, for a short time.
 
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i am confused. in the sellers reply he states that Schrade dropped "Schrade Walden" in '66. i thought this was down in '73?
 
There is absolutely no truth to any single line of his description. Not any. Every bit of it is made up. And I am not talking about getting his information from a bad source. I am talking LIES. He runs a fake charity. I researched the charity and it is registered in a particular county in Texas and the legal entity which reports on these non-profits had his listed as "no activity ever at any time." He always has plenty of goodies for sale at 100% to 800% over common going rate and every one has a line of deliberate falsehood spread thickly throughout the listing. This particular 8OT was made from about 1960 or 1961 until 1973, as Hal said. There are tens of thousands of them out there. The part about sub-letting the handles is absurd. The company was Rogers, not Rodgers, and they burned down years before this time-frame. Schrade never sublet handles from anyone. The date 1965 has absolutely no relation to anything Schrade. Totally made-up. I could not call up the listing and his pictures, but I am guessing the residue from the "gentle washing with soft soap" is oxidation from laying the damn thing out in the sun. This man is an embarrassment to everyone connected with knife collecting. Possibly the worst of the villains on ebay.

Edit: See Codger's correction below.
 
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A minor correction if I may. Some Delrin covers were molded for them by Crown Plastics I believe. And some were molded first in the Ireland plant and then in the Pacific Rim. TPR if memory serves me. Also many of the wood laminate covers were made for them by Pakkawood (the company, not the generic name for gaudy import handles). Additionally, they sourced some later bone covers in Germany. Boker if I am not mistaken. Eric can easily correct me if I am wrong.
 
Why don't you say what you really think Cal...lol.....
The original question posed by Ken was ' I have never seen a Pre 65 8OT other than the 1959 Bone 8OT'.
My response remains the same to his question. It is factual that example of 8OT as displayed may well be Pre 65.
My 1963 Schrade Walden Safari Set has an identical 8OT in it. By identical I mean the following: It has Delrin handles. The same number of matchstrikes within that early production matchstrike nail nique. The 8OT is stamped on the reverse <pile> side master tang..and most importantly is the master blade swedge extends up and over the matchstrike on only the very earliest models 8OT's..later Schrade Walden's pre 1973 never extended up to the matchstrike....we are all aware the 8OT stamping was placed on 'mark side' tang later, and the nail nique became just a 'nick' on the master blade....
A quick check of lrv's pre 1973 Schrade Walden Flyers which are all dated will show the 8OT in the 1963 Safari Set.
I believe the seller may well be selling a Pre '65 8OT. He may have accidentally got his info right.
I also believe the bone 8OT may not have been made from/in 1959 when the bone handle 2OT and 3OT were introduced..may have been introduced in 1960+..
Good research on the supposed charity...they say charity begins at home....in his case it also ends at home and appears it does not leave his front door....lol...Hoo Roo
P.S. I made this post before Codger's appeared.
 
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I put this post up after reading the lies this seller was using to grab cash from un-experienced collectors.
To the best of my limited Schrade knowledge, it is very hard to date any 8OTs down to a single year of manufacture.

I have 30+ 8OTs in my collection; I have 12 of the knives in question, all new in tubes and hinged boxes.
The Swedge on my Early 8OT is almost as long as the Match-strike.
After 1973 I have 8OT with different tang stamping (with the same wording).
Looking at this sellers feedback; most of the feedback is from sellers, the Buyers feedback is mostly missing detail.

Larry, you missed out on the 1965 Schrade 8OT; it has been removed from eBay. (even from my saved items)
Anyway he dose have this 1965 Schrade 881 for sale.
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Most of my New early 881s (also in tubes) have Walden stamps, and match-strike pulls, the earlier ones have bone handles.
This "1965 knife" was made after 1973.
 
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Ken, the extended back swedge to Master blade was only on the first few years production 8OT's so it is possible to date within about two years....its a handy tool to look for particularly if someone has rehandled a later model with bone handles......the swedge on the genuine bone handle 8OT Circa 1960 extends to within 3 of the last three matchstrikes....the swedge on the first two years production 8OT's with Delrin Handles extends over the first 7 matchstrikes in the matchstrike nail nique but not as far as the bone handle but substantially further than those 8OT's from the later 1960's...I have noted this is consistant.....if you have the original box's as well you can date the Old Timer hinged box by the knife it contains..
If you have 30+ 8OT's have a closer look at your earliest production models and see if this does not tally....
Hoo Roo
 
while we are talking about 8 OT's and nail strikes and since the search engine is disabled could someone pull up the article about the changes in the nail strike. i think i remember that the number of the knubs changed and then went flat.
 
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