can i get some help here please or be told where im wrong if i am

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Dantegandalf

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EDIT:"link removed" (was on reddit got in argument about knife use requested clarification) the OP is saying that their defenition of a fully functioning knife is one they can cut a piece of wood in half with without it breaking. i simply state that knives are not designed to do this as a main function but there are some companies such as ESSE who know their knives maybe used in such away. i just wanna know if im wrong in anything i posted in this conversation. thanks in advance.
 
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Given the knife in question, I think serious knife discussion over there would be wasted.
 
Well this knife is designed specifically as a chopper and the 50 or so of them I have sold have never needed to be warrantied.
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And this is one of my versions of a camper....it is designed with forward weight for chopping too. I have never received a complaint on their performance. In fact, this blue and black one was sold to a Japanese woman who does a lot of cooking for her huge family....she uses it for cutting through pork chops and turkey legs and what not.
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This knife was sold as a small camper....he uses it for smaller chopping tasks.
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This knife was not designed with chopping in mind.
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What do they cut in the cutting competition each year? Wood.... Yes some knives are designed specifically to chop. I use many knives including khukri's to chop wood and yes I have axes...many expensive axes and some cheapies too. However I carry a knife instead of an axe that is designed to chop wood, preference mostly. But make no mistake, many a knife was designed to chop...with wood being the the main dish on the menue.

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Dante....it looks like we are all in disagreement with you...well other than Tsuji. But looks can be deceiving. Like Tsuji said....given the knife in question. I paid no attention to the key word TANTO in your link, I payed attention to your comment knives were not designed to chop. I didn't read the post and prolly won't but I also know a swiss army knife wont chop and is fully functional.
 
I disagree with you. A knife should be able to handle wood prep. To think that no knife can or should do that is stupid IMO.
 
Id say you are both correct sort of. I didn't read much of the discussion over there, but what I did read.......I say this as any knife designed for the abuse of chopping wood is gonna suffer in the realm of slicing and cutting well. Sure their are knives designed for chopping, but even the best one imho is a not as good substitute for an axe.

That said I own choppers and they can be useful when I only want to carry one tool with me. Won't perform any particular task all that well, but can get most of them done. So they have their place. So both ya'll aren't that far apart, just talking about different categories of knives. Ones talking choppers and one is talking slicers. Pretty hard to come to terms when both of ya'll are coming from extreme opposites.

Now I'm sure someones gonna come along and tell me how they'll out chop me with an axe and them with their favorite chopper. Which might be true, but I never said I was great at chopping. What I will say is give me their favorite chopper and an axe and everytime ill do a better faster job with an axe. They might do the opposite?

To end with this discussion over on the other site isn't gonna be won and who cares? Both of you made your points. Agree to disagree and move along .
 
I chop wood with my "outdoor knives"

Chop as hard as I can swing, or, hit the spine of the knife to baton the knife through a log???? Yup!

Even thin machetes can handle this task for me. I can give a list of knives that will handle this task, and for that price range too!

Would I try this with a very thin high hardness Puko, or Scandi grind? Nope. Right tool for the task and all. My little knives are not for chopping, but I do still have a handful of smaller knives that I baton with.


I don't carry an axe for wood processing when camping (even usually when car camping!). I do have some hawks that I use camping sometimes.


I would direct that gentleman to a different knife (but he is probably 13 years old, and does not need any advice from an old fuddy duddy like me).

That site does not look like a place where people go to have serious conversations about edged tools. It is like expecting serious conversation or trying to educate some one through you tube comments. It is just not worth the effort.

I can give you a list of military knives that will chop wood and baton wood all day.

Stilettos might not do for this, but "military" is a very very broad description, and means a lot of things to a lot of people.


That said, the knife he is talking about in that thread would not be any one's choice for a camping, wood chopping, bushcraft (unless your are a 13 year old planning a camping trip to mom's back yard).

50 for a "traditional" styled tanto is also very suspect for quality (especially with a 'Damascus' steel).

That does not mean I could not find you a serviceable $50 combat style knife (even an americanized tanto shaped blade) in that price range) that would not chop all day, every day for a life time of use.
 
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the OP is saying that their defenition of a fully functioning knife is one they can cut a piece of wood in half with without it breaking. i simply state that knives are not designed to do this as a main function but there are some companies such as ESSE who know their knives maybe used in such away. i just wanna know if im wrong in anything i posted in this conversation. thanks in advance.
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Depends on the knife and its purpose.

Some knives are designed to be used as choppers. Some are not.

I never use a knife to chop, so I don't look for that capability in a knife. I am more inclined to carry a hunting knife than a survival knife.

Some folks do use a knife to chop, so they want a knife that is designed to do so.

That being said, please delete the reference to the other forum. Cross forum arguments are not condoned.
 
i appreciate the guidance and help. i wasnt saying knives are not meant to chop nor that no knife can chop wood it was my general understanding that knives as a whole are designed for softer targets. i am aware that survival type knives are forged harder because it is realized that it is a possibility that that will be a use of the knife, but that axes and saws were the main items used to cut wood. i did not know they made knives designed as a wood cutting implement first and foremost. i appreciate the educational information you all shared, thank you.
 
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