Can I link my church raffle?

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I am raffling off a knife for a good cause. Not for profit to myself. Is there a place for this? Ive seen the Prostate knife on the Custom Knife forum. Can I link the auction from BF?
Thanks,
Bruce
 
I think a church qualifies as non profit, and accepting of donations.

Don't quote me on that though.
 
The problem is two-fold: First, we would have to verify the non-profit status and since non-profit is a legal definition with tax implications, we'd have to do that verification with a high standard of due diligence. In the case of a charity auction, any portion of the price paid in excess of the item's fair market value is a tax-deductable donation to the charity... assuming the charity is a legally-established non-profit (a surprising number of churches actually don't have their 503c paperwork in order and are legally not non-profit charities; just having "church" in your name doesn't do it). When you suddenly have a tax deduction involved, you suddenly have the potential for tax fraud, a federal crime. We don't want to put Bladeforums.com, Spark, and even the individual moderators in the position of possibly being accessories to a federal crime. So, to give ourselves a legal defense against such a charge, we have to exercise due diligence, verify the charity's non-profit status, that the fair market value of the item is reasonable (and when the item is a knife and we who are moderators of the world's foremost knife discussion site and, therefore expected to have some expertees, have a higher expectation of due diligence), that the price is paid and the money actually goes to the charity, etc. It's a lot of work.

Second, many of -- hopefully most or even all of -- the members here support some church or other charity. If we allowed everyone here to promote his/her charity here, the site would just be burried in such posts. So, the best way for us to avoid accusations of bias and the resulting hurt feelings is to deny most everyone. We permit just a few each year because we do want to promote charity within the knife community. The one's we do permit are those which we believe will be of very broad interest to our international membership.

It's the sad reality of operating such a large site full of great and generous people all over the world.
 
I really do not understand the first stated problem, it took me all of three minutes to find both the tax exempt status of both Bruces' church and that of the orphanage he is helping. Links to their IRS status published by the IRS are in their names above.

I also do not understand why BladeForums would be liable for anything. BF is not receiving any money nor directing where it would go. BF is also not issuing tax exemptions for any donations to the link. I do understand that everyone might try to take advantage of our community. But Chuck pointed out sometimes items that would be of interest to our international community would be allowed. For gosh sakes, this is in Jamaica.

I personally think it is a worthwhile project and is costing no one anything. If someone wants to give and take a chance on a knife, what concern is the value of the knife. I would buy most any old fixed blade for 5 dollars.

Just my .02
Jim

BTW: I do not know Bruce personally, but have always admired his work. I may be a customer one day.
 
Thankyou JatMat for researching our church and the orphan organization. Yes both are non profit. I simply would like to know if I can link it here on Bladeforums. Its a very nice custom knife for a very worthy cause. The knife community would jump at the chance to not only have a good chance to win the knife but also benefit children at the same time. Bladeforums is hub for anything knife related so its only natural to want a thread here.
 
If we did it for you, Bruce, we'd have to do it for everybody. While your organization may be legit others may not be and there in lies the problem. Researching every single one will prove to be time consuming and a royal PITA. If we let one slip by that proves to be a fraud it will not look good. We cannot have the forum flooded with such auctions.

Others have asked in the past to do such things and we have always said no.
 
If we did it for you, Bruce, we'd have to do it for everybody. While your organization may be legit others may not be and there in lies the problem. Researching every single one will prove to be time consuming and a royal PITA. If we let one slip by that proves to be a fraud it will not look good. We cannot have the forum flooded with such auctions.

Others have asked in the past to do such things and we have always said no.

Thanks Ken, No it is. I'm not one to rock the boat. Take care
Bruce
 
I really do not understand the first stated problem, it took me all of three minutes to find both the tax exempt status of both...

That's only the first part of the problem. Now we have to verify the fair market value of the item and verify that the price was paid and the money went to the charity. Furthermore, even if it is only three minutes, whose three minutes is it gonna be when there are hundreds of such requests? Three minutes each for 365 requests (one per day) is over 18 hours of someone's time.



I also do not understand why BladeForums would be liable for anything. BF is not receiving any money nor directing where it would go.

When we allow it and, indeed, endorse it, would be promoting the auction which could expose us to a charge of being an accessory to a crime. Therefore, we need to exercise due diligence in the matter.... and that means someone's time.

By the way, if our policy was that anyone can post and promote any "charity" fundraiser they want to and we don't vet them, then we probably won't have any such exposure. But, we would have the aforementioned problem of the site being burried in them and we'd have a problem with frauds reflecting back on the site poorly. So, we do have this restrictive policy of vetting all such requests and only allowing a few, selected promotions. That means that we have a higher involvement and with that comes a higher responsibility.
 
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Chuck,
When you say it in that manner, I understand a little more. I for one do not want to be responsible for vetting every request. Even if a name of an organization was legit. How is BF going to know for sure that the money donated is going to it. I think therein lies the problem. It is a matter of trust, even though in this case, I know Bruce's reputation and integrity would not be an issue, another faceless user id might not. I do understand the problem of being the biggest forum on the net for us knife lovers and being flooded with requests.

I am still sadden by this decision, but do understand.
Jim
 
My own church, St. Paul Lutheran, has a school which I am a passionate supporter of; I was Chairman of the School Board for seven years and spent several hours just yesterday helping the current Chair with some particularly tricky paperwork. That school is always in need of money and holds several fundraisers every year. But, there's only so much juice on one orange. To get more juice, you need more oranges. Similarly, any charity can tap out its donor base and so you need to be constantly trying to find ways to enlarge that donor base. I would love to use the huge resource which is the bladeforums.com membership to enlarge my school's donor base.

My church supports an orphanage and school in Juarez, Mexico. I'm not personally involved with that mission, but I do support it. They face the same problems of donor fatigue and trying to expand their donor base. I'd love to help them by making the bladeforums resource available to them.

But, I understand that if Spark allowed me to do this, he'd have to let everyone else too and that would not be good for Bladeforums which is also am institution which I care about and want to protect.

The amazing thing is that I have never seen Spark try to use the bf.c resource to promote his charitable causes. That is a huge model of restraint.
 
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