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Another person inspired by the knife lock types thread.

Can we work together to come up with a locking mechanism that hasn't been done before or at least hasn't been produced before ?
I'm not one that really cares about what lock is the best or anything, but I started to wonder if we could do it just to say we did. If so maybe some company would see it and make it just to say they're the first company to introduce a lock that was designed by a group of knife forum members ( assuming it hasn't been done before )

I don't think it really needs to be revolutionary as far as strength goes. it just needs to be as simple, about as strong, as convenient to use as everything else out there, and most of all it has to be different without being too crazy so it could make it in the knife world.

What do you guys think, could we do it ?
 
Hickory n steel said:
Another person inspired by the knife lock types thread.

Can we work together to come up with a locking mechanism that hasn't been done before or at least hasn't been produced before ?
I'm not one that really cares about what lock is the best or anything, but I started to wonder if we could do it just to say we did. If so maybe some company would see it and make it just to say they're the first company to introduce a lock that was designed by a group of knife forum members ( assuming it hasn't been done before )

I don't think it really needs to be revolutionary as far as strength goes. it just needs to be as simple, about as strong, as convenient to use as everything else out there, and most of all it has to be different without being too crazy so it could make it in the knife world.

What do you guys think, could we do it ?
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How much money do you have that you're going to throw into this? With enough money, most anything can be done mechanically...
 
gzb said:
How much money do you have that you're going to throw into this? With enough money, most anything can be done mechanically...
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What money ?
We just need to think of ideas for a new lock type, maybe share sketches...ect and someone here will probably know if it's been done before.

All we have to do is come up with a concept for a new lock, what's done with this concept is up to whoever sees it
 
So, a bunch of random people are just going to do what all the experienced knife makers and designers have not done up to this point and just come up with an entirely new lock? o_O

I get the feeling its not that easy to design knives. Like, just not anybody can just do it.

Looking forward to seeing where this goes.
 
When you really study many of the locks they do quite often borrow from each other and are often more of an evolution of locks in general. While there are sometimes truly new ideas most are inspired.

The compression lock was new but it also borrowed from both the liner lock and the bolt action lock.

The axis lock was new but it was extremely similar to the bolt action lock designed by Blackie Collins. It was different enough to receive a patent but it wasn't a truly new idea.

The phantom lock is cool, creative and maybe ingenious but it is essentially a modified backlock.

We often stand on the shoulders of those who came before us.
 
I know there probably can't be anything 100% new, and I also know ( just from thinking about this since yesterday ) that it's easy to come up with a new way to lock a blade, but one that's practical is much harder.
I thought of a few different ways for a blade to lock in place in no time at all but quickly realized they'd be easily disengaged during use

I've got an idea, and I believe it's pretty different in it's actuation.
In essence the lock itself would be sort of a short pick lock or lockback, and I don't know where it's spring or springs would go. However you would deploy the blade and actuate the lock using the same motion.
I'll have to make a sketch of my idea.
 

Excuse everything being misaligned and stuff, I think this picture gives the basic idea minute springs and detents...ect.
The swirly pice connected to the thumb " switch " would be made of 2 separate pieces connected at the ends by bars that way the blade would fit between them.
The hook on the lockbar would have to be the same.

The basic idea ( hopefully the blade would have some sort of detent system and bronze washers...ect ) is that the thumb button is actuated in an upward arking motion ( I know similar to the camillus cuda but this one is double duty ) which would push against the kick of the blade like you're finger on a flipper tab while at the same time pulling down on the back end of the lockbar to disengage it so the blade can move freely.
You push it the same way , just long enough to disengage the lockbar while you close the blade BM style.

If there's another manually operated knife with a natural to use mechanism that deploys the blade and unlocks it with the same operation I'd love to hear about it.
 
115Italian said:
Nice. I guess you answered your own question. Patent it, sell it.
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I wasn't really just asking if it can be done, but prompting people to try.
I started it off with my concept, now I'm hoping others with more knowledge in this area have some ideas to fill in the missing details.
Where would the springs go and what type would they be, could this realistically be fit into a knife of a reasonable pocket friendly size, and is the kick / internal flipper theoretically too close to the center of gravity to deploy the blade without spring assistance.

Patenting things is really expensive,and I'm not in any sort of position to have or get it made, so I'd rather if a good design to come of this for it to catch the eye of some company who wants to utilize it.
 
Hickory n steel said:

Excuse everything being misaligned and stuff, I think this picture gives the basic idea minute springs and detents...ect.
The swirly pice connected to the thumb " switch " would be made of 2 separate pieces connected at the ends by bars that way the blade would fit between them.
The hook on the lockbar would have to be the same.

The basic idea ( hopefully the blade would have some sort of detent system and bronze washers...ect ) is that the thumb button is actuated in an upward arking motion ( I know similar to the camillus cuda but this one is double duty ) which would push against the kick of the blade like you're finger on a flipper tab while at the same time pulling down on the back end of the lockbar to disengage it so the blade can move freely.
You push it the same way , just long enough to disengage the lockbar while you close the blade BM style.

If there's another manually operated knife with a natural to use mechanism that deploys the blade and unlocks it with the same operation I'd love to hear about it.
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Need more information. Open and closed views of your drawing, maybe a top view and any angular and linear dimensions you can provide would be helpful.
 
Here's a more correct sketch with this time being what it might look like closed, and includes a potential lockbar spring.



I'm thinking there might just be a stiff spring loaded ball detent in the frame, stiff because it might need it to build up enough inertia for reliable deployment.
Again this would not go through the blade but be on either side of it.
I just realized that in this sketch the blade would be getting pulled at the kick / internal flipper instead of pushed, but if it would work then why not 180° everything from the norm ?
It would pull down on the back of the lockbar instead of push up at either end like most, so why not pull on a flipper instead of push it.

Technically you're thumb is still pushing on the internal flipper by way of the " thumb bolt " but it would be connected to it in a pulling direction.
 
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Hickory n steel said:
Another person inspired by the knife lock types thread.

Can we work together to come up with a locking mechanism that hasn't been done before or at least hasn't been produced before ?
I'm not one that really cares about what lock is the best or anything, but I started to wonder if we could do it just to say we did. If so maybe some company would see it and make it just to say they're the first company to introduce a lock that was designed by a group of knife forum members ( assuming it hasn't been done before )

I don't think it really needs to be revolutionary as far as strength goes. it just needs to be as simple, about as strong, as convenient to use as everything else out there, and most of all it has to be different without being too crazy so it could make it in the knife world.

What do you guys think, could we do it ?
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I've thought of a few types before. There's lots of ways to block a blade on a pivot from rotating. Many of them are variations of axis style locks like the arc, BB, bolt etc. Then there are lots that are variations on a backlock. Some examples are the Strong lock on the Buck Marksman or the Ti-Lock from CRK which is sort of like a backlock coming off the blade rather than the handle.

How about this little guy. Scorpio Designs Shapeshifter knife.
http://www.scorpiodesign.de/messer/shapeshifter-edc
 
Lapedog said:
I've thought of a few types before. There's lots of ways to block a blade on a pivot from rotating. Many of them are variations of axis style locks like the arc, BB, bolt etc. Then there are lots that are variations on a backlock. Some examples are the Strong lock on the Buck Marksman or the Ti-Lock from CRK which is sort of like a backlock coming off the blade rather than the handle.

How about this little guy. Scorpio Designs Shapeshifter knife.
http://www.scorpiodesign.de/messer/shapeshifter-edc
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Interesting, but would it be the ideal intuitive lock that the axis lock is ?
First I said " just to say we did " but now I like this idea I came up with which isn't exactly gimmicky.
Isn't that sort of a better goal ? not the most unique and different thing you can think of but something functional , finger safe,and highly convenient like the axis lock .
I compare to the axis lock because it seems to have set some sort of benchmark in the knife community.
I have no experience with it of course, but I know everyone loves how you can flick open then pull and flick closed.
I always thought about something that would allow you to perform one operation to deploy the blade then perform the same with an additional wrist movement to close it.

Push forward and the blade is open, then push forward and give a little wrist flick to close.
 
What I really want to see is a lock that a total amature can build at home and not have all kind of complications like grinding matching angles on lockface and tang such as on liner or framelocks.
 
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Lapedog said:
What I really want to see is ablock that a total amature can build at home and not have all kind of complications like grinding matching angles on lockface and tang such as on liner or framelocks.
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A block or a lock ?
For a lock , I'm pretty sure an barrel lock like an opinel can be easily made at home.
 
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