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Vlade

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They just changed some verbiage in the 2020 weapons act in my jurisdiction. The law used to read if you used a weapon against any person without justified motivation.. . ..

. Now the law says if you use against another person without good cause.

. Isn't that the same thing? does use against another person with good cause lower the bar? Thank you in advance gentlemen
I know it's not good to seek legal advice on a public forum,, I'm just looking for opinions
 
Am no lawyer.

Applies to any self defense.
They claim, These days, In self defense.
Always notify the police as soon as possible.
Example. You are forced to display a weapon to end an attack. The attacker runs away.
You think cool, problem solved.
The aggressor calls police and claims, you threatened them with a weapon.
These days it seems with police reports. The first one to file paper work gets dibs on victim status.
 
I am not a lawyer either. But "just cause" usually covers universal moral reasons that applyto everybody.. While "justified motivation" focuses on the individuals's motivation for the act.
 
Depends on the reason for the change, I know that some places have been just trying to simplify wording. If it's a provincial or local law I'd send the change and location along to Ian Runkle, he might want to use it for a short vid
 
Vlade said:
They just changed some verbiage in the 2020 weapons act in my jurisdiction. The law used to read if you used a weapon against any person without justified motivation.. . ..

. Now the law says if you use against another person without good cause.

. Isn't that the same thing? does use against another person with good cause lower the bar? Thank you in advance gentlemen
I know it's not good to seek legal advice on a public forum,, I'm just looking for opinions
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I would say if anything that "good cause" sounds even more ambiguous than "justified motivation", but I'm not a lawyer. Seriously. "Good cause" could be a lot of things and is ultimately subjective, whereas "justified" seems much more rigidly tied to the situation itself. There are lots of good causes that may have very little to do with being forced to defend yourself in a specific situation.

Again, I'm not a lawyer.

I wouldn't worry about it. You're not likely to end up in a situation where you'd need to defend yourself unless you live in a bad area such as the south side side of Chicago or somewhere similar. If you do end up in such a situation... the best advice which was already given is to shut the 🤬ck up and talk to a lawyer before you say anything to the police. If you're a man, then doubly so. Stay quiet. Lawyer up.
 
gadgetgeek said:
Depends on the reason for the change, I know that some places have been just trying to simplify wording. If it's a provincial or local law I'd send the change and location along to Ian Runkle, he might want to use it for a short vid
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State law
 
Make sure that this wording you are asking about is what the actual law-book statute says, and not some third-party source that is trying to "summarize" the law. This includes any kind of news source, and even announcements from the state legislature. The law may not have changed at all.

Furthermore, see if you can find the bill that lead to the law changing (they are public), as it usually provides reasoning for the change (the reasoning may be spurious, but its still reasoning).

There is otherwise no way whatsoever for any of us to explain the difference (whether we are lawyers or not), as the meaning of these terms are going to be a matter of case law and judiciary decisions within your jurisdiction.
 
glistam said:
Make sure that this wording you are asking about is what the actual law-book statute says, and not some third-party source that is trying to "summarize" the law. This includes any kind of news source, and even announcements from the state legislature. The law may not have changed at all.

Furthermore, see if you can find the bill that lead to the law changing (they are public), as it usually provides reasoning for the change (the reasoning may be spurious, but its still reasoning).

There is otherwise no way whatsoever for any of us to explain the difference (whether we are lawyers or not), as the meaning of these terms are going to be a matter of case law and judiciary decisions within your jurisdiction.
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It's not a summarization it's a factual sentence. Article 606 Puerto Rico weapons act 2020.
Transporting and use of bladed weapons.


If you use against another person without "good cause", you will be found guilty of a felony. It was changed from justified motivation in 2022Screenshot_20230717-131512.png
 
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Vlade said:
It's not a summarization it's a factual sentence. Article 606 Puerto Rico weapons act 2020.
Transporting and use of bladed weapons.


If you use against another person without "good cause", you will be found guilty of a felony. It was changed from justified motivation in 2022View attachment 2254934
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From my reading, these appear to be interchangeable and may just be nuances in how they translate it into English. The Spanish version of the 2022 update still says "motivo justificado."
This seems like a silly thing to make into its own law, because using a weapon on another person outside of self-defense generally falls under the common law definition of assault or aggavated assault.
 
glistam said:
From my reading, these appear to be interchangeable and may just be nuances in how they translate it into English. The Spanish version of the 2022 update still says "motivo justificado."
This seems like a silly thing to make into its own law, because using a weapon on another person outside of self-defense generally falls under the common law definition of assault or aggavated assault.
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That's what I figured that's the only knife law we have in Puerto Rico. My favorite part about this whole law is they never mentioned length. That's the best part.
 
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