Can someone help me identify this sword?

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thepkilla

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Hello, I am new to these forums and I don't mean to be a bother. I just cannot find out any information on this sword. I will have pictures up quickly to help identify it. In the meantime I will do my very best to describe it. The blade is made in Pakistan. The handle is made of brass or copper and is really heavy. The design on the handle consists of either two eagles or griffins with no legs. It looks as if the birds are laying down facing each other. Moving up the handle is what looks like two roman vines. The holding portion of the handle is twisted to the end. At the end is a mans head with a mustache and goatee. It appears that the mans head has sideburns that twist downward away from the bearer. When I look at the handle it appears like it is something depicting rome or greece.

Please, it would be very appreciated!

Thanks
 
No real way it can be "indentified" since it's a no-name wall-hanger. In terms of value it's...oh, I don't know...$15.00? It's purely intended as a decoration as opposed to real use, so for your own safety don't swing the thing around or hit anything with it. :)
 
I can't get to the picture at the moment but from the way you describe it there probably is very little information to get above what you already know. It sounds very much like one of the ubiquitous, mass produced, low quality decorative swords that have been produced by the thousands if not millions in Pakistan / India / the Phillipines / whereever over the last thirty or forty years. At the time it was originally sold it probably had a name that the seller made up for it, but the name is entirely irrelevant since it was purely a marketing device. It's only use is decoration, it's only history is as a decoration. It was made to separate those that wanted a "sword" from their money.
 
I'd like to thank you FourtyTwoBlades for taking soo much time out of your day to state the obvious. I just want to know if anyone could give me information on it. If you don't have any information, just read and move on.

By the way, this sword is NOT decorative. Decorative swords are not balanced because they will never be battle ready. This sword IS balanced properly.
 
thepkilla said:
I'd like to thank you FourtyTwoBlades for taking soo much time out of your day to state the obvious. I just want to know if anyone could give me information on it. If you don't have any information, just read and move on.

By the way, this sword is NOT decorative. Decorative swords are not balanced because they will never be battle ready. This sword IS balanced properly.
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You come asking for help, someone takes time to offer their thoughts and you are rude to them? Okay, you give rude you get rude back.

Your sword is a cheap piece of crap that is made in Pakistan, where all the cheap crap comes from other than China. It has zero meaning, it is not even a bad movie copy of a fantasy sword. It is nothing but some crappy stainless steel that will shatter if you hit something.

If you think it is balanced and "battle ready" than you know nothing about swords.
 
amon said:
You come asking for help, someone takes time to offer their thoughts and you are rude to them? Okay, you give rude you get rude back.

Your sword is a cheap piece of crap that is made in Pakistan, where all the cheap crap comes from other than China. It has zero meaning, it is not even a bad movie copy of a fantasy sword. It is nothing but some crappy stainless steel that will shatter if you hit something.

If you think it is balanced and "battle ready" than you know nothing about swords.
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yeah, what he said
 
sure it may be balanced correctly. this is most likely out of luck and not design what you have there is a cheep Pakistani wall hanger pos. frist givaway is the poor quality of the obviously cast and poorly molded handle next the pommel looks like it would shatter if you hit anything with it. i bet when you shake it the blade rattles inside the handle here are a few pics for copaireason witch one looks like it wouldsee battle or a mantle?
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thepkilla said:
I'd like to thank you FourtyTwoBlades for taking soo much time out of your day to state the obvious. I just want to know if anyone could give me information on it. If you don't have any information, just read and move on.

By the way, this sword is NOT decorative. Decorative swords are not balanced because they will never be battle ready. This sword IS balanced properly.
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I think what the others are trying to say although a bit more bluntly is that it's unreasonable to get upset with someone just because they give you an answer that you don't like.

It takes far more than proper balance (where is the balance point on this piece?) to make a sword functional. Other things to consider are materials, grip construction and edge geometry.

If the one pictured above is yours it would appear that the handle is cast pot metal of some variety almost certainly with a rat tail tang. I can't really tell anything about the blade but if I were to bet I'd guess the geometry is probably pretty poor as well and the blade is stainless steel.

I'm thinking (hoping) that you didn't pay much for it or were given it as a gift, there's no need to be angry because people are telling you what you don't want to hear. Most of us have a decorative sword as our first sword, mine was one of those all black "ninja-tos" complete with plastic tsuba and menuki and etched hamon. The key is to learn rather than reject what folks are trying to tell you.
 
thepkilla said:
I'd like to thank you FourtyTwoBlades for taking soo much time out of your day to state the obvious. I just want to know if anyone could give me information on it. If you don't have any information, just read and move on.

By the way, this sword is NOT decorative. Decorative swords are not balanced because they will never be battle ready. This sword IS balanced properly.
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I'm very sorry that my response wasn't what you wanted to hear, but if you ask a question then you get an answer. I stand by my statement--it is not now, nor ever will be, a functional sword. FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY I advise against swinging this decorative "sword" around or striking it against any solid objects. Ignore this advice at your own risk. :o

I take it you're here to get an education. Sometimes finding out that your previously held belief is wrong is part of that education. It happened to me plenty of times when I first got into edged tools and weapons, and even today as a cutlery professional I'm still learning amazing things every day from the knowledgeable folks on these boards.

Oh, and by the way, you misspelled my screen name. ;):thumbup:
 
Ok, if you are able to unscrew the head from the handle, and inside the handle there is a threaded steel rod you have a piece of shit.
 
Balance? so you've had some sword training?


...........just by looking at the cast handle you can tell it's a POS:rolleyes:
 
Jim malone said:
Ok, if you are able to unscrew the head from the handle, and inside the handle there is a threaded steel rod you have a piece of shit.
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Not necessarily. Threaded tangs appear on a number of quality swords by CAS Hanwei, and they're a very respected sword company. MOST threaded tangs are on crap swords though, because crap swords are the vast majority of the product that's out there. ;)
 
Actually, it doesn't have a threaded handle. The handle doesn't rattle either, it's rock solid. The blade isn't made of stainless steel either, it is rusted in a few spots. There's a bit of rust at the base of the blade, on both sides.

It seems to me that it is pretty easy for someone just to say it is a POS if they haven't ever seen this sword or design before.

I gotta love that cast handle?? The handle is made of solid copper. How the hell is it casted copper? I know quite a bit about metals, and I have yet to see someone cast copper. It's too expensive to just use as a decorative.

Wow, seriously! I guess this was the wrong place to look for information.
 
Hey thepkilla,

I feel that someone got upset a little to quickly. But you did ask. With my recent studies of swords this week I can gurantee you that this kind of sword is no replica of any battle sword.
Even when you described it I already knew for certain that it was definatly made like others have said, to be an ornamental wall sword, with no authentic history behind it.
Do a google on Roman swords or medieval swords or real swords and do not take anyones word for it the information is out there. And as soon as you said Pakistan I knew it was a ornamental item never meant to represent anything that was ever used as a battle sword.

Do you really think that swords had all the stuff you have on yours. Time like today was precious to the medieavel times. No one would ever spend the time to put such garnishments on a sword.

Just do the goodle searches and find out for your self. Their are some real reproductions of almost any era and country. But get your pocket book ready because real swords are not sold for 15 to 50 bucks. More like three hundred on up to as much as you want to spend.

Kind Regards,
Daniel


PS: Do a google search on authentic reproduction swords. There is some facinating history to be told behind each sword shown for sale.
 
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lol...the "handle" may be copper, but the guard and pommel are cast.

...........listen, the people here told you what they though--you don't like what's been said, it's your sword I suggest you now search the web yourself for info on it.Where did you buy this "battle ready" zombie slayer from?

you never mentioned any marks on the blade that would help identify it, as to the company ( marto, united cutlery, etc.)

"I know quite a bit about metals, and I have yet to see someone cast copper. It's too expensive to just use as a decorative."

well Mr.metals, casting copper isn't so difficult in a production facility-which you should know. BTW, "battle ready"? thats a joke.
 
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FortyTwoBlades said:
Not necessarily. Threaded tangs appear on a number of quality swords by CAS Hanwei, and they're a very respected sword company. MOST threaded tangs are on crap swords though, because crap swords are the vast majority of the product that's out there. ;)
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Yeah there's a difference between a tang which has the end of it threaded for a pommel nut, and a tang which is itself a threaded rod welded on to the shoulders of the blade.
 
well one thing is for sure that handle and gard are 3 separate pieces and they are defnatly not hand made post a better close up pic of the blade and post a pic showing where the blade gos into the handle
 
One has only to give a cursory look at the hilt casting for the poor quality to be immediately evident. I could have told you that that sword was from Pakistan from the pictures alone. Chances are it was distributed through a company like Master Cutlery, which sells many such "swords".
 
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