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I used to travel to france with my family when i was a little younger and i fell in love with laguiole pocket knives. I have 4 that were purchased for me 1 per year by my dad as a kind of tradition i suppose, now that i am a little older i am looking at purchasing new laguioles for my collection online and upon placing my current laguioles in my new display case i noticed some things about 2 of them that bothered me and i suspect they may be fakes. They are all marked with the same makers mark but 2 appear to have bees made from seperate pieces of metal to the springs, there is a small line that seperates the 2, this would appear to indicate fakes but all were purchased with autheticity certificates for a knifemaker based in thiers and he has a website and everything and email contact, i have emailed the maker to enquire but wondered if anyone on here could help me.
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You'd fare a lot better with a more direct/concise title.

Fake or not, I'd cherish any knife my father got for me for the sake of a special occasion and tradition. In the end, it doesnt really matter.

Hope you find your answer and make sure you search the makers name here.
 
I am not the most knowledgeable when I comes to Laguioles, however it is general consensus that many quality Laguioles have the bee welded to the back spring but that is not THE sure fire way to spot a fake. It is possible that they could have been apart of a discountinued budget line or that particular knife maker does not charge much for that particular knife. For example, Fontenille-Pataud are a revered Laguiole knife crafter yet they offer some models for cheaper that do not come with welded bees and other compromises. I wish I had more time to help you but alas someone more knowledgeable or the manufacturer would have to answer your question. Just some food for thought.
 
SIG96 said:
I am not the most knowledgeable when I comes to Laguioles, however it is general consensus that many quality Laguioles have the bee welded to the back spring but that is not THE sure fire way to spot a fake. It is possible that they could have been apart of a discountinued budget line or that particular knife maker does not charge much for that particular knife. For example, Fontenille-Pataud are a revered Laguiole knife crafter yet they offer some models for cheaper that do not come with welded bees and other compromises. I wish I had more time to help you but alas someone more knowledgeable or the manufacturer would have to answer your question. Just some food for thought.
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Thankyou very much friend sets the mind a little at ease, thankyou
 
SeppukuSamurai said:
You'd fare a lot better with a more direct/concise title.

Fake or not, I'd cherish any knife my father got for me for the sake of a special occasion and tradition. In the end, it doesnt really matter.

Hope you find your answer and make sure you search the makers name here.
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Thanks for the reply, of course i cherish them i just wanted to know the truth about them thats all, thanks for your help friend
 
I found this explanation of a languiole importer rather interesting....

If there is one name in cutlery where confusion reigns, it is Laguiole. A closer look is required…

Disclaimer: Since 1994, Laguiole is a registered trademark for any product other than those directly falling under the category of cutlery. The information below is only relevant for cutlery products.



Is Laguiole a brand of cutlery?

Contrary to popular belief, Laguiole is not a cutlery brand. There are no real or fake Laguiole knives, so to speak, and there is no such thing as a counterfeit version of this product.

Laguiole, in fact, designates a style of knife. There are Laguioles knives just as there are hunting knives, camping knives, butterfly knives, or Swiss knives ... The brand of a Laguiole knife depends on the manufacturer (about fifty in France at today's date) or the importer (half a dozen specialized importers) and the company brand associated with it. There are now over 80 brands designated under the name Laguiole filed in Class 8 (cutlery) with the INPI (a complete list is available, free of charge, on the INPI official website). These brands are owned by different companies which have no connection with each other.

Only the word or logo that appears before or after the word Laguiole is, therefore, considered a brand in the legal sense. We see a similar paradigm if, for example, we were to speak about a car (which is not a brand but which refers to a type of vehicle, as Laguiole refers to a type of knife). There are many brands of cars: Renault, Mercedes, Fiat, ...


Is there a Laguiole charter or quality label?

No. Competitors before colleagues, the various companies that produce and import Laguiole knives never felt the need to work together to agree upon the specifications that would precisely define the Laguiole style.

In the market place, therefore, one finds these products at all levels of quality, all marketed under the name Laguiole. The distinguishing characteristics of a Laguiole knife, namely, the “fly”, the shape of the handle and blade, and the quality of steel can, therefore, vary substantially from one manufacturer to another:

- There is no single “fly” model (also called “bee” or “hornet” by some), rather, there are as many models as there are manufacturers.

- Size and shape of the handle may vary greatly from one model to another, there are knives of different lengths and breadths (or “plumpness), with or without a corkscrew, in materials as diverse as they are varied. Some models are foldable, others not.

- The quality of steel used for the blades also differs depending on the manufacturer and according to the model, whether it be top of the range, blue ribbon, or a table or pocket model.

Again, it is the associated mark and the trained eye of the consumer which serve as the guide in choosing a beautiful Laguiole


Is the name “Laguiole” an indication of provenance?

No. As many of us know, Laguiole is also the name of a regional cheese and a small French village situated in the Aveyron.

If it is commonly accepted that the Laguiole style of knife most likely originates from this region of France (hence the name), it is no less true that the principal production of Laguiole knives is in Thiers ( Puy de Dome), the capital of French cutlery, and has been for over 150 years.

Moreover, in the marketplace, there are a large number of Laguiole knives coming from foreign production (mainly from Spain, China and Pakistan). In this respect, the Laguiole name does not constitute an indication of provenance.



Is there any case law to support these affirmations?

Yes. Subject to disputation for many years, notably under the growing momentum of imports during the '80s, the Court of Appeal of Riom ruled definitively on this subject in 1998 (Case 411/98 of 1 July 1998).

We retain from these texts the 2 following conclusions:

Page 6, 2nd paragraph: It is clear from all evidence submitted by the defense that the name “Laguiole”, of which it has been determined is not a brand and which can only be considered to have fallen into the area of public domain in the absence of any particular process of manufacture, has, nonetheless, over time, become a generic term.

Page 6, 4th paragraph: Therefore, the name “Laguiole” can not only be considered to constitute an indication of provenance.

A second judgment by the Paris Court of Appeal confirmed this assessment in 1999: The name Laguiole applied to a certain type of knife is no longer used to designate a location but rather a valued commodity that the public has commonly adopted (...)



In conclusion

The Laguiole name, associated with a piece of cutlery, does not designate a company or a brand or label, but a simple style of knife. Nobody in France (or worldwide) may have any claim to or monopoly on this name in cutlery.
 
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