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Can someone help with Golden spike possible value
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I believe all the US made Uncle Henry's are sought after esp the carbon type blades. You see carbon types more often with the Old Timer line. Anyhow, the Golden Spike is quite an awesome fixed blade esp in carbon steel. Not sure about price though. Does it have a stone with the sheath?
G'day Phil, Welcome as a new member and a fellow Aussie..... Aussie Chris S. sent me a photo of your double stamping asking my opinion. I forwarded to Codger our resident Schrade Fossil...I mean our resident Schrade advisor who usually works out how these things can happen....Codger has worked it out and will be along shortly to advise...
Rare?...yes..unusual?... yes because it should never have escaped the factory...they usually marked a second by grinding across the tang or with XX......may have been taken home in the lunch box by Schrade employee?....with that sheath and sharpening stone you have and High Carbon steel blade it is not likely to be final days knife when anything happened.....valuable?....not really to me as a collector as seconds dont really make an appearance in my collection.... however someone could pay a premium for an anomaly knife...guesstimate about US$80 +...I believe its not new in box..used? is that correct.....Hoo Roo
P.S...the only 'second' I have is 'The Lance' Scrimshaw made by Schrade for Montgomery Ward..so hard to get and so few made I'm happy to settle for a second to "complete" my Native American series....it has XX across the tang to signify it is a 'second'...cant work out whats wrong with it however........
Rare?...yes..unusual?... yes because it should never have escaped the factory...they usually marked a second by grinding across the tang or with XX......may have been taken home in the lunch box by Schrade employee?....with that sheath and sharpening stone you have and High Carbon steel blade it is not likely to be final days knife when anything happened.....valuable?....not really to me as a collector as seconds dont really make an appearance in my collection.... however someone could pay a premium for an anomaly knife...guesstimate about US$80 +...I believe its not new in box..used? is that correct.....Hoo Roo
P.S...the only 'second' I have is 'The Lance' Scrimshaw made by Schrade for Montgomery Ward..so hard to get and so few made I'm happy to settle for a second to "complete" my Native American series....it has XX across the tang to signify it is a 'second'...cant work out whats wrong with it however........
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Could you post a pic of the "double-stamping"? I'm quite curious.
It doesn't have the dreaded XX stamp that collectors have come to avoid so I think it's of average value for this model. Some folks might avoid it and some might want it as a curiosity.
Check eBay's completed listings to see Golden Spikes in same condition current value.
It doesn't have the dreaded XX stamp that collectors have come to avoid so I think it's of average value for this model. Some folks might avoid it and some might want it as a curiosity.
Check eBay's completed listings to see Golden Spikes in same condition current value.
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Welcome to the forum!
When Larry sent me the picture and asked my opinion, I had this to say:
Now, let me explain just a bit. I never worked at Imperial Schrade. Or any other cutlery. I was at one time a prototyper, patent illustrator and a manufacturing process engineer. So I understand how an error can take place. Usually an error like this (as with coins) takes place when a process machine is being set up for a run. The set-up man stamps a trial piece to see where the die will strike. From there, he corrects the position of the jig holding the piece until the die strikes in the desired position. To save material, he would use the same trial piece for the second strike. There may have been a second trial piece that is this one's mate where the set-up man set the jig for even finer adjustment.
Why this one was assembled, I haven't a clue unless it was sent along with other set-up pieces through all of the processes to be used in adjusting other machines up to and including final assembly. The stamp suggests the blade is possibly an early one (SCHRADE vs. SCHRADE+). It may well have been kept in the sample room in a drawer for reference on future setups. The contents of those drawers were boxed and shipped with the lots sold in the liquidation auction in October of 2004. Loose components were also matched with whatever blades were laying around for assembly to boost the number of finished knives in the WIP prior to auction. Former employees have told us that when the factory closed, a small crew was kept on by the receivers to do this assembly work until the final auction. I am guessing that quality control was sketchy if not nonexistent.
It is also possible that it was sold thru the in-factory employees store. Impossible to tell at this point. And this is just my best guess.
Value? Value is in the eye of the beerholder. For most collectors, it is a flawed example of the pattern and worth less than a perfect example. However, for a collector of errors and oddities, the knife would be worth a premium above a standard producion knife. I have been known to buy an error knife myself just for the novelty of it like this X-Timer XT2B....
When Larry sent me the picture and asked my opinion, I had this to say:
Now, let me explain just a bit. I never worked at Imperial Schrade. Or any other cutlery. I was at one time a prototyper, patent illustrator and a manufacturing process engineer. So I understand how an error can take place. Usually an error like this (as with coins) takes place when a process machine is being set up for a run. The set-up man stamps a trial piece to see where the die will strike. From there, he corrects the position of the jig holding the piece until the die strikes in the desired position. To save material, he would use the same trial piece for the second strike. There may have been a second trial piece that is this one's mate where the set-up man set the jig for even finer adjustment.
Why this one was assembled, I haven't a clue unless it was sent along with other set-up pieces through all of the processes to be used in adjusting other machines up to and including final assembly. The stamp suggests the blade is possibly an early one (SCHRADE vs. SCHRADE+). It may well have been kept in the sample room in a drawer for reference on future setups. The contents of those drawers were boxed and shipped with the lots sold in the liquidation auction in October of 2004. Loose components were also matched with whatever blades were laying around for assembly to boost the number of finished knives in the WIP prior to auction. Former employees have told us that when the factory closed, a small crew was kept on by the receivers to do this assembly work until the final auction. I am guessing that quality control was sketchy if not nonexistent.
It is also possible that it was sold thru the in-factory employees store. Impossible to tell at this point. And this is just my best guess.
Value? Value is in the eye of the beerholder. For most collectors, it is a flawed example of the pattern and worth less than a perfect example. However, for a collector of errors and oddities, the knife would be worth a premium above a standard producion knife. I have been known to buy an error knife myself just for the novelty of it like this X-Timer XT2B....
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It has two strikes of the same stamp with no "+". Stare at it a minute. What appears to be a "+" is in fact an overstamp of the "E" in SCHRADE with the understamp of the "H" in "153UH". If it were a "+", it would be located after SCHRADE.
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It's possible that the blade may have been sitting in a reject bin until the end of days "assemble anything that looks like a knife part" binge. Most tang stamps are done by hand by inserting the blade tang into a properly placed jig beneath the tang stamp die, (which is attached to a multi-ton press), and hitting a foot actuated release to drive the stamp into the blade. You then toss the blade into a box and repeat a few hundred times. At times you may think the blade is properly positioned when it's actually not, and mis-strike it. The operator then probably gave it a proper strike just be be sure the jig hadn't moved. That blade would never have made it into the regular production with all the visual inspections that took place. Makes an interesting conversation piece though.
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