Can you believe it????

If he was dumb enough to let people that would not approve of a knife that he had one LOCKED in his trunk...

Yes it's ridiculous, but honestly why would he let anyone know it was there. A bit stupid on his part.
 
65535 said:
If he was dumb enough to let people that would not approve of a knife that he had one LOCKED in his trunk...

Yes it's ridiculous, but honestly why would he let anyone know it was there. A bit stupid on his part.
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I'm sure there's a reason that the kid told the school. I hope an Eagle scout and would-be West Point cadet would have more sense than just blurting that out.

The real problem, however, is the school. A 2-inch pocket knife in the trunk of a car is a deadly weapon? The teacher or principle should have resolved this quietly, especially if the kid has had no previous problems. PC has gone out of control.
 
1. I moved this to Knife Laws because it isn' a discussion about knives but about society's reaction to them

2. The story has been covered before but not even I am going to search for it to merge this with a previous discussion.

3. Please don't link and run. Have the courtesy to tell us what your story is about. Name names, places, situations. Give us your analysis of what's happening here. THEN provide a link if you like to a source.

4. Newspaper stories make better sources than videos. I clicked on your link and got some kind of cat commercial. Bleep that.
 
+1 on 3&4, yeah I heard about it I was outradged to say the least. makes me want to go into a public school ofice with a tiny 1" swis army, ask if its allowed, and if so stab a large (but well under Texas 5.5" limit) knife right into the desk (I'm 16, but in a private school thank heavens) I even brought a 5.5" knife that I made in for a school project had to leave it w/ the dean though :grumpy:
 
I'm 23.

I carried a SAK through high school and a Sebenza through college.

Never had a mite of trouble, and everyone still knows me as the knife guy.

What the H-E-double-hockey-sticks is going on with this planet?
 
Nebulae said:
+1 on 3&4, yeah I heard about it I was outradged to say the least. makes me want to go into a public school ofice with a tiny 1" swis army, ask if its allowed, and if so stab a large (but well under Texas 5.5" limit) knife right into the desk (I'm 16, but in a private school thank heavens) I even brought a 5.5" knife that I made in for a school project had to leave it w/ the dean though :grumpy:
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well aren't you lucky...
Be weary my friend, even private schools will turn on you... even if they know you to be a good person...
I speak from experiance...

peace
 
I tried to E-Mail the Superintendent of that school district, but it came back with an error message. Really sickening to treat the kid that way.
 
GUYMAN said:
I tried to E-Mail the Superintendent of that school district, but it came back with an error message. Really sickening to treat the kid that way.
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From what I gathered, it's the Lansingburgh, N.Y. Central district, not the plain Lansingburgh dist.
the Central dist. website doesn't have a single e-mail address listed and when I called the High school they don't even have an e-mail address for the president of the BOE. I finally got transferred to the vice pres of the board and had to leave a message.
The number to the high school is 518-233-6806
 
hoopster said:
From what I gathered, it's the Lansingburgh, N.Y. Central district, not the plain Lansingburgh dist.
the Central dist. website doesn't have a single e-mail address listed and when I called the High school they don't even have an e-mail address for the president of the BOE. I finally got transferred to the vice pres of the board and had to leave a message.
The number to the high school is 518-233-6806
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This kid has learned a painful lesson about trusting classmates. For sure, one of his classmates turned him in. Why would there even be an inquiry to begin with if it wasn't the case? What does he think will happen when (or if, at this stage) he enters into the U.S. Military Academy? More B.S. to deal with. My sister's ex-boyfriend was a first classman (a senior) at West Point and he told me about all of the crap that cadets have to put up with. Cadets are actually encouraged to rat each other out for even the most minor infractions. If a cadet gets caught with an unauthorized knife, firearm, etc. there, he will face expulsion, just like high school, and possible prosecution under UCMJ.
 
TOM1960 said:
This kid has learned a painful lesson about trusting classmates. For sure, one of his classmates turned him in. Why would there even be an inquiry to begin with if it wasn't the case? What does he think will happen when (or if, at this stage) he enters into the U.S. Military Academy? More B.S. to deal with. My sister's ex-boyfriend was a first classman (a senior) at West Point and he told me about all of the crap that cadets have to put up with. Cadets are actually encouraged to rat each other out for even the most minor infractions. If a cadet gets caught with an unauthorized knife, firearm, etc. there, he will face expulsion, just like high school, and possible prosecution under UCMJ.
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That's a good point but I think the real issues here are 1: a persons car is private property. 2: a SAK is a tool not a weapon. 3: The student was not committing a criminal act.
If we don't call/e-mail and take other actions on issues like this as well as the first and second amendments we'll only have ourselves to blame.
 
hoopster, regarding the issues you mention,

1. a vehicle is private property, but you have a limited expectation of privacy. if it is parked on private/governement property such as a school, even moreso.

driving is not a right, but a privelege.

there are legal ways for law enforcement to enter a vehicle, and they outnumber the ways to enter a residence, which is considered sacrosanct.

if one consents to a search, the search is legal.

if one admits to having an item which may be illegal, that is reasonable suspicion to search. statements against one's own penal interest are also probable cause for arrest.

if the search was done administratively, ie, school staff, then only reasonable suspicion is required to search anything on school grounds or a student's vehicle.

2. we may consider a sak a tool and not a weapon. but that doesn't mean everyone else will. the totality of circumstances must be considered when an item can be considered both. we, here on bfc, do not exist in a vacuum.

3. perhaps not criminal, but in violation of district/school rules. many, if not all, school districts are governed by an education code passed by legislation which are indeed laws. most have no penalty other than administrative discipline, but they are certainly laws. in any event, there does not appear to be a criminal filing pending.

we can argue whether or not they overreacted, but arguing against the legality of the search is pointless.

a minor student on school grounds absolutely does not have a second ammendment right to bear arms.

and what first ammendment right was violated?
 
A sad state of affairs.

All the more reason for private schools, were people can choose on the degree of insanity.
 
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