Can you help me about handhelds?

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Last September I bought a Palm M505 handheld. I bought a Palm model because some friends of mine own a Palm one and they are satified by them. And I don't trust very much in Microsoft CE products.

With my M505 I wrote some Word documents or Excel spreadsheets when I was travelling, or I loaded into it some documents I like to have with me every moment.

But when the M505 recomputes the Excel spreadsheets, it takes some seconds. This makes me think if this means Palm models are a little "slow", a little "smaller" than Microsoft CE based ones, and if there are differences of "power" between Palm handhelds and Microsoft ones (like Compaq, Hewlett Packard, etc.). I know Compaq models are bigger in dimensions, and in Microsoft based handhelds there is an MP3 interface. But just about pure processor power, or computational power, is a comparison possible between Palm's and Microsoft's? Are the processors of Palm and other handheld comparable?

It means, is the Microsoft handhelds (Compaq, HP and the like) more powerful than Palm ones?

I am asking this also because a friend of mine asked me an advice about what handheld he has to buy. He saw a collegue of him using a Nokia 9210, preparing documents and sending them by e-mail. He doesn't like 9210, because it is a little too big and isn't a GPRS, so it is very slow in sending big documents. He needs a "device" to write documents, to use spreadsheets and, but not necessary, to use Access.

I told him if he has to make a big document, with images or diagrams, Nokia 9210 isn't the right tool: he needs a laptop. But if he needs a backup device to use not for the every day work, but during the weekend or just to work on something if he has a big hurry, wherever he is, what is in your opinion the right handheld to buy? What are the real features of Palm and Microsoft-based models? To describe his needs, he said "Nokia 9210 would be OK, but it is too big and too slow in sending e-mails. I would prefer an handheld the size of your M505, and I would connect it to my GPRS cell phone to send data." Remember, he has to exchange Word and Excel documents with his PC in the office or at home, and he could need to use Access.

Many Thank in advance.

Falcenberg
 
Carlo,

Depending on your friend's finances (and urgency) he might want to wait on this offering from OQO:

Measuring just 4.1 inches by 2.9 inches by 0.9 inches and weighing less than nine ounces, OQO's PC is a full-function computer running Microsoft Windows XP Professional and incorporating up to a 1GHz Crusoe TM5800 processor from Transmeta Corporation (NASDAQ: TMTA); four inch, super bright VGA color LCD; Synaptics (NASDAQ: SYNA) touchscreen; 256MB onboard RAM; 10GB hard drive; 1394 FireWire, USB, audio, OQO-link connectors; and 802.11b and Bluetooth wireless networking.

Supposed to be available during the second half of 2002. Price, about $1,000.
 
I was a Compaq user until just last week when I gave it to my wife and went back to paper.

Frankly, I don't like PDA's much and don't have much use for them. I've tried several different models and ended up with a small black notebook (paper that is, not a computer) and a pen.

That being said I did use a Windows based Compaq I-paq for about a year and most of my friends have Palm units.

I like the Compaq over the Palm because of the ease of using and creating files that convert very easily to Excel and Word. Also, Compaq and various other non-Palm units tend to offer features like MP3 and video file playing ability. Compaq simply had more abilities for my money. The downside is that these extra abilities eat battery power like crazy.

(I do realize that some Palm based units have some MP3 features but I speak in generalizations here. The Sony Clie units aren't bad but pricey)

To me, haveing used both a little I'd put it like this: Its kind of like the Mac and PC debate. One is pretty clearly better but the other is way more pervasive and easy to use with the rest of the world so its a matter of how much you want to annoy yourself and others by being incompatable with what "most people" have. If you want to be able to sync with other people and trade information via the IR port for example, I'd stick with a Palm based OS.

The Compaq I-paq syncs pretty quickly using the USB port. MP3's take a few moments but Word Documents and Spreadsheets go pretty fast.


All in all, I think that the non-Palm units give you better features and abilities for your money. The question is, what do you really need a PDA for? If its just a dayplanner and address book then any Palm will do. If you are looking for something that can pretty much do the job of a laptop but fit in your hand...I'd go with something other than a Palm.

Better yet, leave the office at the office, stick your PDA, cell phone, and pager under your truck tire and drive on.

:D
 
My own uses for a PDA were very basic. Basic enough, actually, that as some of the folks at work upgraded and upgraded trying to keep up with the Joneseseseses, I had access of their older models.

As a day planner and information book, even the older more basic ones work fine. I don't play MP3s, network, conference, play games, finance hostile take-overs, design small-scale nukes, or carry the equivalent of Ansel Adams' entire portfolio worth of photos.

For the heavier users in our sales and marketing departments, they seem to be split, depending on their situation. Those with newer laptops have stuck with Palms because they don't need the extra horsepower that some of the MS-based PDAs have. Those with old, slow, clunky, Samsonite-sized laptops or desktops at home and in the office have went with the MS-based systems for the added versatility they feel it gives them in the field.

I rarely use mine these days, except to look up the occaisional number or e-mail address, or to "synch" with the "Calender-of-Truth" that my wife keeps on the kitchen wall. Other than that, a pen and paper have done me well. No cell phones, no pagers, thanks.

I kinda agree with SGS. Slip off the yokes of tyranny, and destroy the electronic leashes of societal repression! Rise up, brothers and sisters! Make your voices heard, live and in real time, not through the neutering of the phonemail or text-based messaging! :p :D
 
MS-based PDAs generally feature more powerful hardware than Palm-based PDAs. Part of that is because they need more power, memory, and storage to run the MS software. They are also generally larger, heavier, more expensive, and have much less battery life.

Palm-based PDAs are beginning to catch up on the hardware front, particularly over in the Sony Clie line. The next step, coming later this year, will be when Palm machines using the far more powerful ARM processors become available.

I am a big fan of Palm-based PDAs. The OS is simple to use. The built-in software makes them great organizers. And their strongest suit is the amazing variety of third-party software. You can configure a Palm to do just about anything you can imagine.

I recommend Pocket PCs for people who mostly need their PDA to run Microsoft Office. I recommend Palms for just about everything else.

My current PDA is a Palm m505. You can read my software recommendations at http://www.october.com/palm/. :)

--Bob Q
 
I should mention first that I'm a total data junkie and need to have my data easily accessible. I build PCs for fun and am posting this from my homebrew P4 1.7 gig with a GeForce 4 Ti 4400. I must admit I'm a geek.

I started with a Palm M505, but when I saw a Sony Clie 710 I checked my reciept and returned the 29 day old Palm to Staples immediately. The Clie offered a narrower profile, Memory Stick expandability, a much better display and an MP3 player built in. Since then there has been a Memory stick camera and bluetooth wireless card add-on released.

For business I carry an Appple G3 400 laptop which I use for a lot of things such as a desktop replacement when I'm in the office, a presentation device when I'm doing a powerpoint or DVD based sales training when I'm on the road, creating our lame ass company website (www.lpsales.net) or watching a DVD on an airplane or in a hotel room somewhere. My Clie would not do any of these things well. It would also not let me work as easily as in Word or Excel as on the 14.4 inch hi rez screen on my Powerbook.

However, when it comes to running my life, the Clie is indespensible. I can read a spreadsheet or word doc if I need to, but there are so many other things I use more often. The calender functions alone are worth the price of admission. You can have your personal calender hand while at the same time set alarms to remind you to follow up on a business call or buy an anniversary present or whatever.

On mine I keep up with current news throug Avantgo (killer online conduit).

I read e-books while traveling (you'd be amazed at what's available)and usually have a couple novels and a few short stories loaded up.

I carry nice color pictures of my wife, step son and pets.

I listen to MP3s on airplanes from the memory stick (128 mb stick holds about 150 mins of MP3s).

I have half dozen good time-killing games.

I also have every bit of personal contact information for everyone I know in the built in phone book.

I run a version of Filemaker Mobile Database which syncs with Filemaker Pro 5.5 that we use at work. This allows me to have a searchable database with every bit of contact information for the 2300 accounts my company deals with as well as the cost, retail, available finishes etc. for all the products that are produced by the 11 factories we represent all in my pocket in a device the size of a thick pocket calculator.

I also carry lists of books I'm looking for, gifts to buy, Tips on new CDs, etc.

Basically it's a really personal computer that can do almost anything you can imagine with (I just choose not to do email and spreadsheets on mine), but unlike a laptop or a Pocket PC machine, it's small enough to keep with you anytime that you're not getting wet. There is absolutely no appreciable boot time so you have all your personal data available in your pocket almost instantly. Most pocket PC users I meet keep their devices in their breifcases or leave them in their cars due to their added bulk.

The new Sony T650 that just came out in Japan brings the sony high rez color screen, Memory Stick expandability , MP3 player, a new 66 mhz CPU and 16 meg of onboard memory to market in the same form factor as the current T615. This machine promises to be truly amazing in a size that's not any bigger than a modest wallet.

Just my opinion.

jmx
 
wait for the oqo, it offers real computing and elimenates the synchronization issue. It just makes more sense to me. I won't buy another pda, i'll wait till computers are pda sized.

- Pete
 
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