Canadian Carry Knife?

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panzerfaust

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I have a problem and I'm looking for some advice/help from the rest of you--I have a good friend who lives up in Calgary, Canada. He's looking for a good EDC blade because of a rise in crime there. He's not to sure on what's legal and what's not blade-length wise, so I suggested something with a 3-inch blade since they seem to be the most legal-to-carry length elsewhere.
He's looking for a locking-blade, one-handed folder that doesn't cost too much since the US-Can exchange rate is so messed up. I suggested to him either a non-serrated Spyderco Delica or Native (an Endura would probably be too big) or a CRK&T Ryan Model 7 (it seems a more heavy-duty design--metal liners, LAWKS etc--to me than the Delica and I've had no probs with the ones I own)since those are not exactly big $$$ knives but seem to be good value for the money spent.
Any suggestions? Comments? Maybe someone here who knows the in-and-outs of Canadian knife law?
Thanks,
~Ashley~
 
Tell your friend that any knife length is allowed in Canada as long as it is not concealed.

Just tell your friend to behave himself and the cops will not find that knife on him. What is illegal is to carry a knife for SD. Tell him to say it is a tool should he get stopped by cops. Never say the knife is for SD
 
Nice to know about the blade-length although I somehow can't see him with a Bowie dangling from the belt of his business suit.:)
And yeah, we have discussed the "Honest, Officer--it's only my pocketknife" :) defense and that's why the folder seemed like a better way to go (more PC, don't ya know?) than a fixed blade.
~Ashley~
 
what the hell are you talking abouht crime rise in calgary there is less crime there than there is in edmonton and we are 200 miles apart if your friend want to carry for defensive reasons then he is looking for a world of trouble if you have a knife for a tool thats one thing but if you use it for defence or offenceive reasons you are looking at some possible jail time and a hell of a fine the laws in canada are simple you can carry what ever you want for a knife [but if you display or use it in a aggressive manner] you are in big trouble if they find it on you consealed you can have your knife taken and you will be arested for a resticted weapon and that can get you up to 5years in jail so i think your friend better do some thinking first before getting a knife

Lee Brooks
Knifemaker
BROOKSKNIVES.canada


brooksknives@hotmail.com
 
Man, what is with the attitude and hostility?
All I asked was a simple question and you blow a gasket?
As for the comparative crime rates in both your cities I really don't know, I'm just going on what he told me, OK? I figure if he feels its enough of a problem to consider the expense and hassle of trying to obtain a legal firearm (6 months to a year and half wait) then maybe he could use something in the meantime.
The knives I suggested above are all "utility" types (the CRK&T Ryan 7 just looks a little more "macho" than the Spyderco folders that's all)that can and will be used for other more mundane purposes than filleting muggers with, as I've always considered knives TOOLS first, with their weapons potentional as a secondary consideration in their use.
However, that being said, just because my friend happens to live in a country (he's talking about moving down to the States but he has aging family up there he has to take care of at the moment) where gutless liberal politicians seem to have lost their minds on the question of Public Safety, doesn't mean he should not have the right to defend himself if attacked by the however-so-small criminal element. I don't think he'll give the local cops a reason to roust him--he dresses in square-citizen business suits, not "wanna-be toughguy" dirtbag attire and he's not going to go around flashing his blade just to impress the locals--and the knife is gonna be used for the multitude of everyday tasks that "pocketknives" are used for with the "break glass in case of emergeancy" weapon's potential reserved for EMERGEANCY PURPOSES ONLY.
~Ashley~
 
im sorry if you think i was out of line but i was just telling it like it is now you say your friend want to get a gun well as far as i know unless you are a leo or bonded guard you cannot carry a firearm no matter what but i may be wrong
 
The firearm is for his home defense--with the overly restrictive gun laws up there we figured a CCW permit was out of the question for "regular folks" aka law-abiding citizens--but the cutlery is for those times he isn't at home.
~Ashley~
 
if your friend is going to use it for home defence then i hope he is ready to go to jail as the law up here sits if you shoot somone with a gun in self defence or not you will be charged with murder or attempted murder if you use it to scare of the intruder then you are guity of brandishing a weapon and will have them taken and be charged with such and you may never be able to own a firearm again

the truth up here is that you are not allowed to defend yourself with a gun or a knife even if you are in your own home if you do then you are in big trouble as far as the police are concerned you are the same as the crimminal who tryed to hurt you and your family

sucks dont it

Lee Brooks
Knifemaker
BROOKSKNIVES.canada


brooksknives@hotmail.com
 
Geez--no guns, no knives...what's left, harsh language? Oh, I forgot, you don't want to hurt the poor criminal's feelings and lack of social esteem either.
~Ashley~
 
There's no length limit on knives, and the knives must be in plain sight by law. Clipped to the pocket is perfectly fine.
Usual rules apply... don't bring it to concerts, bars, etc...
If you act like a normal guy and don't dress like some street punk, normally the cops won't bother you.
Of course you can keep your SAKs in your pocket. I don't think the cops are very concerned about that.
For Fixed Blades, one must wear it again in plain sight. I don't think that would be practical in a Urban setting cause a lot of people will run and scream and stuff.
 
panzerfaust: brooks is right
No guns no knives that are for self defense. It's said in the criminal code.
87 Possession of weapon or imitation

87. Every one who carries or has in his possession a weapon or
imitation thereof, for a purpose dangerous to the public peace or for
the purpose of committing an offence, is guilty of an indictable
offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.

R.S., c. C-34, s. 85; 1976-77, c. 53, s. 3.
89 Carrying concealed weapon

89. Every one who carries a weapon concealed, unless he is the holder
of a permit under which he may lawfully so carry it,

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for
a term not exceeding five years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
90(1) Possession of prohibited weapon

90. (1) Every one who has in his possession a prohibited weapon

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for
a term not exceeding ten years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

90(2) Prohibited weapon in motor vehicle

(2) Every one who is an occupant of a motor vehicle in which he knows
there is a prohibited weapon

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for
a term not exceeding five years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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Weapons in the Criminal Code generally means firearms, Balisongs, Gravity knives, "flickable knives w/o technique (I've talked to the LEO about this and he shows me the way to test that... single turn of the wrist in one direction that could open the knife. If the wrist is snapped one way and then immediately an other, that won't be the right test for it)
I do not suggest that your friend keep it in a car or at the house and say it's for self defense. Summary conviction translates to $2000 or 6 months jail time or both.
Tell him to get a folder, preferably a good lockback because they're even harder to flick open, and never ever ever say it for SD to a cop. Always say that it's for utility purposes (ie box cutting).
Yes the Criminal Code sucks here.
 
believe me when i say that it sucks but that is how the law is here you can carry a knife but god help you if you use it the protect yourself and if you use a gun you are really phuked i think that if you are under attack you have a right to kick the $hit out of your attacker but the law says different so what is one to do? go to jail for saving his own life or become another corpse as far as i am concered maybey the idiots who wrote the law should be in that type of a fix where they have to deside what to do then maybey the law will change for the better we can only hope

Lee Brooks
Knifemaker
BROOKSKNIVES.canada


brooksknives@hotmail.com
 
Ok.. more legal crap here
34(1) Self-defence against unprovoked assault

34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked
the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no
more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.

34(2) Extent of justification

(2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or
grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if

(a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous
bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally
made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and

(b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise
preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.
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So basically, unless you're going to have your head blown off or he's attacking you with a weapon, you can't actually pull a knife on him.
God I don't even know why I study Criminology here... The more I study, the more I think our parliament is full of idiots.:rolleyes:
 
you think there full of idiots i know they are

if anyone of them were on the recieveing end of a hurting they would die from a heart attack there all a bunch of scared rabbits that need a wakeup call to let them see what real life is like on the streets

Lee Brooks
Knifemaker
BROOKSKNIVES.canada


brooksknives@hotmail.com
 
Far be it from me to defend the laws of Canada, but...

The intent of the posted law is almost identical to that of at least many US states. Every one I am familiar with (6-8, maybe) requires that you be in apprehension of deadly force before using deadly force. You generally CAN'T use a knife on someone to prevent him from kicking you in the shin.

Now, as far as how it's interpreted by Canadian courts, I have no idea. That can make a big difference.

Larry
 
Thank you for the informative and enlightening posts, gentlemen.
They say light comes from heat and there's been some of that in this thread. I'm sure my Canadian friend will find it all very interesting reading indeed.
The Canadian laws upon justification seem to very much the same as those in the USA, although I'm sure that the State Laws do vary upon what force may be used in reponse to the Felonious action being perpetrated upon you--although I can see various "grey areas" such as your opponant's greater size, numbers of assailants etc would be seen a contributing and/or mitigating factors in your defense. If anything, I see that Canada's uniform set of laws might be more easily interpreted (rightly or wrongly) than the USA's crazy-quilt patchwork.
It all boils down into if he has no weapon then you are not justified in using one to defend yourself, but if he does then you are justified in using one in response--although then you are subject to the various weapon's laws on the books. That's why the "it's my pocketknife" ;) explanation is so much more defendable than the "Sure, I carry a 12-inch Bowie around all the time, doesn't everyone?":D school of thought.
Although in the end, I'm sure we can all agree that we'd much rather be tried by 12 complete strangers on a jury than carried to our graves by six of our closest friends.
~Ashley~
 
Originally posted by panzerfaust
That's why the "it's my pocketknife" ;) explanation is so much more defendable than the "Sure, I carry a 12-inch Bowie around all the time, doesn't everyone?":D school of thought.
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Just don't ask me where I keep my CRKT Companion.
Even if the SD laws don't land you in jail, you'll still have a hard time talking to the cops about your knife and where you placed it. Given that you're mugged in a back alley at knife point and no one saw what happened, they could hardly figure out where you kept it, but still carry the knife in plain sight and hope for the best.
 
ashley you said

Although in the end, I'm sure we can all agree that we'd much rather be tried by 12 complete strangers on a jury than carried to our graves by six of our closest friends

i could not agree more with what you said but in todays world it seems that the victom has no rights while the crimminals walk free perhapes someday these laws will change for the better:rolleyes:

anyways i hope the info you have recieved will help your friend make a coice as to what to do ;)

Lee Brooks
Knifemaker
BROOKSKNIVES.canada


brooksknives@hotmail.com
 
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