Canoe with a Wharncliffe Secondary

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BetterToPerish

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I've been looking for a canoe type blade with a clip blade and a small wharncliffe or sheepsfoot secondary. To be it seems like a perfect all around knife. The canoe pattern is a personal favorite of mine but I guess its not necessary, just a 2 bladed knife with a long clip primary and shorter wharncliffe secondary. I've looked at a few wharncliffe trappers that look nice, but even those are few and far between. And with a trapper you're missing the versatility of having one longer blade for general tasks and one smaller blade for detailed work. Anything your aware of that fits the bill?

I guess I'm just looking for a stockman without the spey. I know I could just ignore the spey--pretend its not there--but hey I'm a perfectionist when it comes to knives! Something tells me many here know what I'm talking about.
 
Welcome. I certainly get what your saying. For some reason I can not comprehend, modern knife manufacturers dont team a lot of straight blades up with bellied. GEC has a few but most are spear main with coping or wharncliffe secondaries. Check out Knivesshipfree for the Northwoods presidential and check out the GEC 79 or 92 for the same combo. I decided to mod my 53 TK cuban to get what your after.
 
Appreciate the welcome! I'm a frequent lurker but first time poster. Those are exactly what I'm looking for! The #79 in burnt stag is particularly nice. A little chunky looking but certainly fits the role I'm looking for. A bit pricey for me, but sometimes its better to bite the bullet than compromise and end up buying something you'll just end up replacing.

I too scratch my head--you'd think there'd be a lot of two-blade stockmans out there. For me a handy little wharncliffe is a must, and a nice longer bellied blade compliments it perfectly for various tasks--stuff like food prep or even skinning if that's your thing. Hence the spey on a stockman just kind of sits there uselessly--bothering me with its presence. Plus it contributes to blade rub and I spose makes the knife a tad wider than it needs to be. Just kind of bugs me I spose.
 
You just jogged my memory. If you don't care about 2 springs , Boker made a new jack recently with only a clip and sheepfoot. Should be right up your alley :thumbup:
 
A Canoe with a Speer and a Wharncliffe (equal length) on a single spring would be a way cool twist on the pattern..... of course a Moose Canoe would be sweet too.
 
Thanks for all the responses!

Really great suggestions all around. A pen stockman might be the answer! Then you got a longer multipurpose clip, essentially a small clip in the pen blade for fine work, and then of course the super-blade: the wharncliffe or sheepsfoot. The best of all worlds! And I'm a total sucker for railsplitters--they just usually have that annoying spey. You got me strongly considering that specimen now.

Don't get me wrong. The spey blade certainly has its appeal--the idea that you might need to skin a grizzly bear open with the thing and wrap up in its pelt to survive a blizzard. But in the end I don't do much skinning in my daily life...or bull castration for that matter. And besides, as long as the main blade has some belly you can skin just fine with it anyways--as long as you're careful. Might even be better at the task--being a longer blade and all. From a collectors point of view it doesn't matter much and the spey certainly has a traditional sort of appeal to it. Trappers, stockmans and the like--all are gorgeous knives. But as more of a practical EDC knife I want every blade to be serve a realistic function. And I know some people love the spey and use it more than anything. To each his own.
 
onespdfrk - Ya that one is a gem! A bit of out my price range right now. I feel like if I got that baby I'd be too scared to ever use it.

Boker's Bear Barrel Whittler fits the bill pretty cheap. Its a looker--and its dang cheap for a knife made outside of China. Plus its available on Amazon Prime so I can always return it for free if for some reason I doesn't meet my expectations. Anyone have a Bear Barrel series from Boker? What's the quality like?
 
I tend to agree and had felt that way for a quite while until i started using the spey to scrape out my pipe bowls, a job its pretty much perfect for. So that's one point for it. The rounded end also makes a good scraper for other tasks where you don't want to accidentally slice or penetrate what you're working on. Though I dont really like the long speys on most trappers. If I ever get another trapper it'll likely be an "improved" one with a wharncliff. I love the yin and yang of a clip and wharnie combo. Does anyone know why the spey shape was deemed optimal for castrating bulls?
 
BetterToPerish said:
Boker's Bear Barrel Whittler fits the bill pretty cheap. Its a looker--and its dang cheap for a knife made outside of China. Plus its available on Amazon Prime so I can always return it for free if for some reason I doesn't meet my expectations. Anyone have a Bear Barrel series from Boker? What's the quality like?
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Excellent, no-nonsense knife featuring useful blades in good steel. I love mine.

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The "beer barrel" wooden sides are lighter in weight than I would have supposed going just by pictures, and the texture of the wood makes for good grip. It's interesting stuff, rough yet smooth at the same time-- ribby grained surface that has no 'catches' in it.

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If you want a clip main blade and a coping or sheepfoot secondary, you're probably looking at a whittler, like others suggested. Here's one I have and it's a nice knife at an affordable price...

http://www.collectorknives.net/hen-rooster-113rpb-red-bone-whittler/

I don't think I've ever seen a two blade knife (pen style) with a clip main and wharncliffe secondary. It might be out there but I've never seen it. I know KSF just produced their Presidential (see post #9) but that's a spear/wharncliffe.
Hey....maybe GEC will read this and make their #68 white owl with a wharncliffe secondary. It would be a "must have" knife for me.


In addition.....Case makes their medium stockman with a clip/sheepfoot/punch (punch instead of spey). It's the 6318PU. I believe they make it in yellow delrin and amber bone.
 
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bdev said:
If you want a clip main blade and a coping or sheepfoot secondary, you're probably looking at a whittler, like others suggested. Here's one I have and it's a nice knife at an affordable price...

http://www.collectorknives.net/hen-rooster-113rpb-red-bone-whittler/

I don't think I've ever seen a two blade knife (pen style) with a clip main and wharncliffe secondary. It might be out there but I've never seen it. I know KSF just produced their Presidential (see post #9) but that's a spear/wharncliffe.
Hey....maybe GEC will read this and make their #68 white owl with a wharncliffe secondary. It would be a "must have" knife for me.
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Technically, the secondary on this is a coping but easy enough to round out the top of the blade (which I did slightly). This one was a SFO in Burnt Stag and Gabon Ebony but GEC did make a regular run Tidioute with Buffalo Horn.


Of course, the #33 Whittlers are still available with 2 secondary blades. Case made a swell center whittler in the past and Queen has one similar to this in D2 as well.
 
If a Canoe pattern is important take a look at a Canal Street Canittler. D2 blades in a nice, slim, pocket-able knife. Here's the one they built for our 2007 forum knife, as an example of the pattern.
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As was already mentioned a Case Swayback, in their stainless, is a great little knife.
 
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I know it's not cheap, but a Canoe with spear and wharncliffe combo does exist.
It's the A.G. Russell / Chuck Buck signature knife. It can be found on AGR's website (I'll post a link later).
If you want the wharncliffe to be smaller, then you might have to go custom (or mod a production model).

Fausto
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quattromori said:
I know it's not cheap, but a Canoe with spear and wharncliffe combo does exist.
It's the A.G. Russell / Chuck Buck signature knife. It can be found on AGR's website (I'll post a link later).
If you want the wharncliffe to be smaller, then you might have to go custom (or mod a production model).

Fausto
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I was trying to remember where I saw that, Fausto. Great looking knife from a great dealer.
 
I know it's no Canoe, but it does have some similarities. How about trying Wharncliffe master and Pen minor on a single-spring Half-Whitt from GEC? This Green Pickle Bone version was not too expensive either and is very well made. Regards, Will
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Lemmy Caution said:
Does anyone know why the spey shape was deemed optimal for castrating bulls?
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Well, if you really want to know...

Making an incision with a pointed blade means that you must in most cases puncture or stab into the medium to start the cut. Cutting bull testes with a pointed blade (puncturing the scrotum) causes undo stress, and isn't as accurate as a shallow controlled cut. And if the animal moves you can actually stab it with a pointed blade. Also, geometry of the act of castration would mean you would use the point a lot, requiring more time to be careful with the animal and more stress for it as well. Not say pointed objects aren't used by some.

But think of scalpels. Many have spey shaped blades themselves. This means no hole punching to start the cut, just a nice slicing motion to a controlled depth. No jagged hole or torn flesh to heal.

To understand this better, this guy is faster than anyone I have ever seen, period, at castration. You can see the testes moving in the scrotum, making a pointed blade start cut like trying to stab jello. However (not he mentions how important it is to have a sharp knife) a spey with its long rounded curve of all edge slices through the scrotum easily with almost no pressure exposing the testes.

GRAPHIC VIDEO ATTACHED OF TRADITIONAL USE OF A SPEY ON A REAL WORKING RANCH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8eWo9dtqgE

I grew up around this type of thing so it doesn't bother me. That guy is an artist, and I was surprised at the lack of blood, his speed and his accuracy.

And what do I use my spey blade to do? Cut the end off my cigars! And for the same reason. I want a smooth slicing cut that I can control to cut a corona shaped V into the end. Been doing that for years.

Robert
 
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