Case Law question in NY

tom19176

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I was looking at a defintion of gravity knives and saw a note about a NY case that stated liner locks "may be " gravity knives. This was of course always the case, but I was wondering if anyone had access to one of the online law services could check for me to see if there are more details ? This is the wording of the statement : Recent NY rulings ( 01-10-08 )have determined that liner locks may be considered gravity knives. Court opinions are often justified by the arresting officer, upon finding those individuals carrying has done something else to cause reasonable suspicion or questionable intent.
Thanks !!!!
 
This was in Blade magazine a few months back. Check out the link to this article from the magaizine.

http://www.blademag.com/article/LinerLocks/

It's another case of people with the power of making decisions being uneducated on the subject they are makingn decisions on. Sad...

It never stops amazing me how terrified sheeple really are of knives. UGH...
 
Trying to take on NYC's bureaucratic and legislative bias against weapons of any kind is an exercise in futility. Unless the large knife manufacturers and distributors fight these unjust laws and interpretations of laws head-on with high-priced legal talent, nothing will be accomplished. Remember, they are concerned with the sale and only with the sale. If their customer gets arrested on felony charges for illegal carry, they look at it as the customer's problem. In the meantime, emphasis should be placed upon concealment techniques. This should mitigate the problem of arrests for carrying "gravity knives" (ie: ANY folder!). If an LEO is unaware of a well-concealed knife, an arrest will not happen, simple as that. Expect more articles in knife magazines and forums in the future on this subject. We all agree that criminals will continue to carry, regardless of laws against the practice.
 
Tom, I'm working on finding the case you are looking for right now. Found a couple of other recent cases that might Pique your interest as well.

Criminal Court, City of New York,
Queens County.
The PEOPLE of the State of New York
v.
Antoine HUMPHREY, Defendant.

April 22, 2008.


Background: Defendant was charged with multiple crimes, including unlawful possession of knives or instruments. Defendant moved to dismiss.



Holding: The Criminal Court, Ira H. Margulis, J., held that defendant's automobile was not a “public place” for purposes of determining the facial sufficiency of charge of unlawful possession of knives or instruments.


Ordered accordingly.

[1] KeyCite Citing References for this Headnote

210 Indictment and Information
210V Requisites and Sufficiency of Accusation
210k71 Certainty and Particularity
210k71.2 Purpose of Requirement and Test of Compliance
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210 Indictment and Information KeyCite Citing References for this Headnote
210V Requisites and Sufficiency of Accusation
210k71 Certainty and Particularity
210k71.2 Purpose of Requirement and Test of Compliance
210k71.2(4) k. Protection Against Subsequent Prosecution. Most Cited Cases

210 Indictment and Information KeyCite Citing References for this Headnote
210V Requisites and Sufficiency of Accusation
210k117 k. Construction in General. Most Cited Cases


In reviewing an accusatory instrument for facial sufficiency, so long as the factual allegations of an information give an accused notice sufficient to prepare a defense and are adequately detailed to prevent a defendant from being tried twice for the same offense, the court should give it a fair and not overly restrictive or technical reading.

[2] KeyCite Citing References for this Headnote

110 Criminal Law
110XII Pretrial Proceedings
110k208 Preliminary Complaint or Affidavit
110k211 Requisites and Sufficiency
110k211(1) k. In General. Most Cited Cases


The allegations in the four corners of the accusatory instrument and any supporting depositions, standing alone, must establish prima facie reasonable cause to believe the accused is guilty of the charged crime or crimes.

[3] KeyCite Citing References for this Headnote

406 Weapons
406k5 Carrying Weapons
406k9 k. Places Prohibited. Most Cited Cases


Defendant's automobile was not a “public place” for purposes of determining the facial sufficiency of charge of unlawful possession of knives or instruments; the knife only became visible after the officer was in a position to observe it in the course of the automobile stop. New York City Administrative Code, § 10-133(b).
Megan Ways, Esq., Legal Aid Society., Kew Gardens.

Hon. Richard Brown, Queens County DA, ADA Patricia Molloy.


IRA H. MARGULIS, J.

*1 Defendant, Antoine Humphrey, charged with Unlicensed Operation of a Motor Vehicle (VTL 509[1] ), Criminal Possession of a Weapon in the fourth degree (PL 265.01[2] ) and Failure to Signal (VTL 1163[a] ), moves to dismiss the second count on the grounds it is facially insufficient and for other omnibus relief. Defendant's motion is decided as follows:


FACIAL SUFFICIENCY:

Defendant's motion to dismiss the second count on the grounds that it is facially insufficient is granted in accordance with the findings below.


SUPPRESSION:

Defendants application for a Dunaway/Mapp hearing is denied as moot.


Defendant's application to suppress statements Huntley is granted inasmuch as the People concede they failed to give timely notice in accordance with CPL 710.30(1)(a).


AMENDMENT OF THE MISDEMEANOR INFORMATION:

In their response to defendant's motion to dismiss, the People have included what they deem to be a “motion to amend the information” by adding a charge of New York City Administrative Code 10-133(b) (Unlawful Possession of Knives or Instruments) and dismissing the charge of Criminal Possession of a Weapon in the fourth degree (PL 265.01[2] ). (People's Response, April 7, 2008 at p. 5)


Although it is proper for the People file a superseding misdemeanor information in response to a defendant's motion to dismiss for facial insufficiency, ( see, People v. McDonald, 179 Misc.2d 479, 481, 689 N.Y.S.2d 600 [Crim. Ct., New York County, 1999] ), it must be done in proper form, viz-by filing with the court and serving on defendant a facially sufficient superseding misdemeanor information, not by doing so in the body of a responsive pleading. (CPL 100.50; Cf. People v. Clinkscales, 3 Misc.3d 333, 339, 774 N.Y.S.2d 308 [Nassau Dist. Ct. 2004] )


Notwithstanding, and in the interest of judicial economy, the Court grants the People's motion to dismiss the second count (PL 265.01[2] ) and supercede that count with a charge of violating New York City Administrative Code 10-133(b).


[1] A misdemeanor complaint must be sufficient on its face before it can be converted to an information upon which the People can proceed to trial (CPL 170.65[1]; People v. Dumas, 68 N.Y.2d 729, 506 N.Y.S.2d 319, 497 N.E.2d 686 [1986] ) setting forth nonhearsay allegations establishing every element of the offense charged. (CPL 100.40[1][c]; People v. Alejandro, 70 N.Y.2d 133, 517 N.Y.S.2d 927, 511 N.E.2d 71 [1987] ) In reviewing an accusatory instrument for facial sufficiency, “o long as the factual allegations of an information give an accused notice sufficient to prepare a defense and are adequately detailed to prevent a defendant from being tried twice for the same offense ..., the court should give it a fair and not overly restrictive or technical reading.” ( People v. Casey, 95 N.Y.2d 354, 360, 717 N.Y.S.2d 88, 740 N.E.2d 233 [2000] )


[2] Although there is a lower threshold than the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt required at trial ( People v. Henderson, 92 N.Y.2d 677, 680, 685 N.Y.S.2d 409, 708 N.E.2d 165 [1999] ), the allegations in the four corners of the accusatory instrument and any supporting depositions, standing alone, must establish prima facie reasonable cause to believe the accused is guilty of the charged crime or crimes. ( People v. Allen, 92 N.Y.2d 378, 385, 681 N.Y.S.2d 216, 703 N.E.2d 1229 [1998] )


*2 The People have moved to amend the instrument by dismissing the second count charging PL 265.01(2) and adding a new charge alleging a violation of the New York City Administrative Code 10-133(b). The Court now examines the facial sufficiency of this new charge.


New York City Admin. Code 10-133(b) provides:


It shall be unlawful for any person to carry on his or her person or have in such person's possession, in any public place, street, or park any knife which has a blade length of four inches or more.



Unlike PL 265.01(2), there is no scienter requirement to this statute; (PL 265.15[4] People v. Ortiz, 125 Misc.2d 318, 326-327, 479 N.Y.S.2d 613 [Crim. Ct. Bronx County, 1984] [construing former New York City Admin. Cd. 436-5.2, the predecessor statute to 10-133] ) the mere possession, in public, of a knife with a blade greater than four inches in New York City is unlawful unless possession falls within one of the exceptions provided by 10-133(d). ( Id., at 324, 479 N.Y.S.2d 613; People v. Singh, 135 Misc.2d 701, 516 N.Y.S.2d 412 [Civ.Ct. Queens County, 1987] [Sikh priest could not wear ceremonial knife in public, event though it was an essential tenet of his religion]; compare People v. Rivera, 182 Misc.2d 244, 246, 697 N.Y.S.2d 917 [Crim. Ct., New York County 1999] [construing violation of PL 265.01(2) “a knife designed primarily for use as a utilitarian utensil is not deemed a weapon”] )


This case arose from a traffic stop. The affiant police officer alleges, in relevant part, “[d]eponent ... states that he observed and recovered a knife which had a blade in excess of four inches from the center console of the above mentioned vehicle.”


[3] The question is therefore, whether the inside of the automobile was a “public place” for the purposes of this statute in the circumstances set forth in the alleged facts. The Court finds that it is not.

A “public place” is not defined in the statute. In the 10-133(a), the legislative findings, the City Counsel stated:


It is hereby declared and found that the possession in public places, streets and parks of the city, of large knives is a menace to the public health, peace, safety and welfare of the people of the city; that the possession in public places, streets and parks of such knives has resulted in the commission of many homicides, robberies, maimings and assaults of and upon the people of the city; that this condition encourages and fosters the commission of crimes, and contributes to juvenile delinquency, youth crime and gangsterism; that unless the possession or carrying in public places, streets and parks of the city of such knives without a lawful purpose is prohibited, there is danger of an increase in crimes of violence and other conditions detrimental to public peace, safety and welfare. It is further declared and found that the wearing or carrying of knives in open view in public places while such knives are not being used for a lawful purpose is unnecessary and threatening to the public and should be prohibited. (Emphasis added)



*3 Indeed, the legislative history of 10-133 and its predecessor statutes indicates the law was enacted to prohibit the carrying of all knives with blades greater than four inches within public places in New York City, unless the knife was needed for one of the purposes defined in 10-133(d). ( Ortiz, supra )


However, in the instant case the knife was recovered from inside an automobile-an area that is not per se a public place. ( See, e.g., PL 240.00[1] defining “public place” as “a place to which the public or a substantial group of persons has access”) For example, in People v. McNamara, 78 N.Y.2d 626, 634, 578 N.Y.S.2d 476, 585 N.E.2d 788 [1991] the Court of Appeals held that “the interior of a vehicle parked at a stated address is not itself a “public place,” but it may become one under circumstances indicating that the car's interior is visible to a member of the passing public, and that the vehicle is situated in a place where it likely would be observed by such a person.” More recently, in construing what constitutes a public place for purposes of determining the facial sufficiency of a charge of Criminal Possession of Marihuana in the fifth degree (PL 221.10[1] ), the Nassau County District Court opined that the interior of an auto that was stopped for a traffic infraction did not become “open to public view” during the course of the officer's investigation. ( People v. Finch, --- Misc.3d ----, 854 N.Y.S.2d 885 [Nassau County Dist.Ct.2008, Kluewer, J.] )


Here too, the knife only became visible after the officer was in a position to observe it in the course of the automobile stop. While it is possible that the knife could have been in open view in the automobile at some point before the stop, thus potentially making its possession “public” under a scenario countenanced by the McNamara court, given the allegations here, the Court finds that the defendant did not possess the knife in a public place. ( McNamara, supra; Finch, supra )


Accordingly, the second (“superceding”) count alleging defendant's possession of a knife in violation of NYC Admin. Code 10-133(b) is dismissed for facial insufficiency.

The People have leave to formally supersede the accusatory instrument to cure these pleading defects and file a timely, facially sufficient information consistent with CPL 30.30 and 170.30. ( People v. Nuccio, 78 N.Y.2d 102, 104-105, 571 N.Y.S.2d 693, 575 N.E.2d 111 [1991] )


SANDOVAL/VENTIMIGLIA:

Issues arising under Sandoval and Ventimiglia are referred to the trial judge.


BRADY:

The People are reminded of their continuing duty to supply all Brady material.


RESERVATION OF RIGHTS:

Defendant's application for an extension of time to file additional motions is denied subject to rights under CPL 255.20(3) to move for further leave upon good cause shown.


The foregoing constitutes the decision and order of this court.


N.Y.City Crim.Ct.,2008.
People v. Humphrey
--- N.Y.S.2d ----, 2008 WL 1849806 (N.Y.City Crim.Ct.), 2008 N.Y. Slip Op. 28152

END OF DOCUMENT
 
From:

People v. Saad
19 Misc.3d 1103(A), Slip Copy, 2008 WL 747895 (Table)
N.Y.City Crim.Ct.,2008.
February 07, 2008

Excerpt:
Officer Dombrowski asked defendant if he had anything on him the police officers should know about. Defendant responded that he had a utility knife and a flashlight in his back pockets. While defendant's arms were spread out to his sides in the shape of a “Tee,” Officer Dombrowski searched defendant's back pockets and found on defendant's person, a utility knife and a flashlight. Defendant had not been placed under arrest at the time of this search as according to the testimony, carrying a utility knife is not a criminal offense. At this point, as Officer Dombrowski was finishing the search of defendant's pockets, he asked defendant for identification, defendant provided it and the lieutenant took it. Defendant's identification was checked and it was discovered that defendant was not traveling in the direction of his home as claimed, and that defendant had an open criminal case for possession of burglar's tools.

(This case also had an interesting layout of the 4 levels of police interaction with the citizen, and aside from the highlighted statement had nothing to do with knives. )
 
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Tom- are you sure on the 1/10 date? I can't find any knife related appellate rulings in NY (state) issued that day (1/10 was in fact a date that rulings were issued on).

I'm not sure if the matter you are talking about predates the Blade article, but that was written before 1/10, and only references non-appellate cases. It's scary to see that outside NYC LEO's are adopting the City's interpretation of the gravity knife law- at least their DA has some common sense.
 
From Tom1960...

"Remember, they [Knife companies, sellers, etc] are concerned with the sale and only with the sale. If their customer gets arrested on felony charges for illegal carry, they look at it as the customer's problem."

[] added for clarity.

For the record, Kershaw has been known to send legal experts to the defense of speedsafe knife owners facing charges of illegal carry of a switchblade.
 
hlee, Kershaw is one of the most helpful in this area, but none of the makers or sellers really do what they can to help. Knives are not a well defined item as guns, drugs or other well defined controlled items are. I have posted several times that in my day as a LEO if we caught someone in possession of a gun or drugs there was a great amount of effort used to find out where the illegal item was bought. If that same attitude was carried out with knife sales than the people making a living off that sale would have to foot the bill to clear up the defintions of what is and is not illegal in the courts. I don't feel it is too much to ask a company to care about what happens to their customers.
 
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