Cg vs cf

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Anyone care to explain the difference between the two, I tried searching but couldn't come up with much.

THANKS
 
It would be easier if you (and we) knew what they stand for. Do you mean combat grade and competition finish?

I'm asking 'cause that's an odd comparison. They're different things. If that's the case:
Combat Grade is just a grade of Busse's knife models marketed along a lower price point than the limited editions. CGs are the standard Busses, meant for hard use, hence the label of combat grade. Not "show" or "museum quality" I guess if you want to compare it to something.
Competition Finish means a blade is unfinished, done so they can keep costs low. They keep the decarb layer on rather than polishing or coating. There were lots of complaints about corrosion, and now they double cut it.
 
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Competition Finish is no frills, no coating, usually convexed edge. The earlier ones weren't finished at all above the edge, but the newer ones are blasted to remove the decarb layer.

CG are coated, unfinished under the coating, and could have any kind of edge grind depending on the model.
 
Darkaether and Gary got it right... but pics are worth a thousand words.

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Yes Combat grade and Competition finish is what I was referring to, I apologize for not being clear enough in my first post. I think I got it, thanks to those that helped.
 
As to the comparisons being odd, yes I guess they are but I think my confusion was because I looked at the CF BWM and I couldn't tell what the difference was from the CG BWM. :o

Thanks again.
 
the CF BWM are the newer style with the decarb blasted off. I think it is actually a single medium blast, unlike doublecut that uses 2 different blasting media. That is why the finish is so consistent compared to the 2008 SE old style CF stuff, but not as fine as doublecut
 
darkaether said:
the CF BWM are the newer style with the decarb blasted off. I think it is actually a single medium blast, unlike doublecut that uses 2 different blasting media. That is why the finish is so consistent
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It should be double cut. I don't know about all Competition Finished knives, but the CF BWMs are.

Jerry Busse said:
The "Competition Finish" is a bit different than the previous Competition Grade in so far as we are double cutting these prior to sharpening! This will cut down greatly on the decarb/oxidation issue.

These bad boys have INFI dimples and polished edges!!! :thumbup:

They are wicked sharp!!! :thumbup:

They feature a heavy striped black and tan canvas micarta and will make the air bleed!!!! :eek: :thumbup:

Jerry :D


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I stand corrected. If it is doublecut I would just call it doublecut. I guess that's why I assumed there had to be something different about it. just zoomed in on the dimples. that is sweet. Id take all my stuff like that if it was an option
 
Thanks of the quote, very helpful. So if I follow correctly a CG BWM should be less expensive than a BWM (considering scales are the same)??
 
the CF was more expensive that the CG in the ganzaa I think, not sure about the show price. That was an almost unique handle composite on the CF.
 
Also "BWM" would just be an umbrella term including all versions. There isn't a plain version. That would be the CG.
 
darkaether said:
I stand corrected. If it is doublecut I would just call it doublecut. I guess that's why I assumed there had to be something different about it. just zoomed in on the dimples. that is sweet. Id take all my stuff like that if it was an option
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Someone said that double cut knives are satin finished before the bead blasting. I doubt this, because satin finishes are more expensive despite having one step less than double cut finishes... but they definitely do some polishing to get rid of those dimples.

By the way, I asked about satin or double cut Team Gemini Light Brigades. They told me it's not possible, but they could certainly give one a Competition Finish if I wanted.
 
I see, so every BWM is either CF, CG, Satin etc. I have seen BWM's for sale that dont specify, these usually have coated blades. What would they be considered?
 
jball1125 said:
I see, so every BWM is either CF, CG, Satin etc. I have seen BWM's for sale that dont specify, these usually have coated blades. What would they be considered?
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They're probably also Combat Grades. Since Combat Grades are the standard, they aren't usually touted in sale threads. But if it's limited edition, competition finish, got some custom features or something, it'll definitely be called out.

I wouldn't say Combat Grade specifically means coated. Double cut was an option with the Combat Grade BOSS Jacks. Also, there have been coated non-CG knives as well. I would just say Combat Grade means the standard model made for quicker and easier production, as opposed to, for example, some limited edition that has to be meticulously sanded to a consistent polish all over. It's an "all apples are fruits, not all fruits are apples" thing. I believe that to be close to accurate, because I've never seen any Combat Grade knives with a satin finish or hand-smoothed scales, both of which require extra attention and time.
 
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Woah you can order a lbtg with competition finish1!1?1? I may rethink ordering one...
 
The newer version of CF has the decarb layer removed to aid in rust resistance. A true double cut blade has all the dimples removed and the steel is the cleaned up a bit. Not exactly a satin finish underneith as we do not remove all the minor scratches prior to double cutting. A CF is simply steel with the decarb layer removed with no additional cleanup.
Hope that helps.
Garth
 
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