Chainsaw Damascus, how I do it.

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My way of making chainsaw Damascus is a bit different from anything I have seen. So I thought I would share my method here and see what you guys have to say.

Set up:
I start with a 7/16” rod of 4130 chrome molly and several chainsaw chains. I take the chains and cut one link in each. I now have strait chains, I place one on edge (bar laying flat and chainsaw teeth up) at 90° from the end of the rod and weld it in place with a tig welder and 4130 wire. I then proceed to wrap the chain (teeth up) around the 4130 rod. Where this chain ends I weld the next chain and continue the wrap until all three chains are in place.

1st chain
chainwrap.jpg


Welding:
First I take a 2 gallon bucket of hot water and ad 3 cups of 20 mule team borax I proceed to heat the billet several times to near weld heat and quench in this borax and water mix. I do this no less than 3 times as a cleanup of the billet. I then bring it to cherry red and flux well with borax, reheat to welding heat and pound it square on the anvil. I reflux and reheat then start working all four sides on the power hammer.

before folding or twisting
chainbillet1.jpg



I like to draw out and fold this billet 4 times, then twist and fold again. This process creates a rather unique pattern that I have not seen elsewhere. I will post a finished blade shortly.
Rick
(aka) bulldog
 
Cool methoud, I've been playing with chain damascus, but haven't been able to come up with a flaw free billet yet. May have to try your methoud, thanks.
 
I like this idea..

I have been kicking around the idea of doing some Damascus for a while now.

Thanks for the water-Borax ideas too...

say, you dont have a website where you might post a whole bunch of 'How-To" photos do you?

I would love to see how you do this step by step...

Now I dont have a "Power hammer"..all I got is a "power right arm" so useing your system, do you think I could still do it?

Right now I forge John Deere Load shafts, they run about 1&1/8 to 1&1/4 inch thick. I hit them with a big 10# sledge that has had the handle cut down for use with one hand, yes it's way heavy, but it really smacks.

Oh, you just have to post a few photos of what your Damascus looks like when finished.
 
Yes, you can certainly do it with hammer and anvil. And if you decide you want a power hammer give me a shout. I built mine for $57.89 and it works like a charm. it’s a treadle type with a 5 hp motor and 4 speed granny transmission. I am swinging a 75 lb head. I would be happy to share the details.
 
$57 bucks?...for a working power hammer?.....Nahhh, cant be done...

The cheapest power hammers I can find are all about $7,000.00 ....

However,,,,,,waite...whats that ?..I hear something, yes,,I hear my right arm saying something to me,,,,whats that?.."For Gosh sakes ask him how to make that darn power hammer!"...?

oh, well,,,okay,,,

Say,Bulldog, now about that $57 hammer you were talking about......
 
Ok, this is how it went.

4 sp ford transmission ………….$10.00
32 lb Chevy flywheel …………….$ free
5 hp compressor motor and one 10” pulley, one 2” pulley…….$20.00
3” x 3” square tubing ……………$7.74
Dodge leaf spring………………….$5.00
Tractor top link …………………..$13.95

All the nuts and bolts and some steel came from my junk stash, at times like this being a pack rat pays off. The belt came off a junk pinto and the spring is an impala hood spring. It also helps to be tight with your local junk man. The ford trans was missing 2nd gear and is a very old trans. I filled the hammer with lead that a local tire shop gave me to get out of the way. I recently replaced the 5 hp motor with a new one from harborfreight.com for $89.95

I will try to get some pictures up asap. If you would like, send me a phone number and we can discuss all the little details. I am more than happy to help.
 
Under no circumstances give him your number,,,,lol,,,you guys gotta share here where we can all profit,,,,Sounds like bulldog has a lot to share too,,,,Where 'bouts are you Rick? I'd love to see that 57$ hammer,,,Thanks for what you've shared and please keep it coming,,,,(wish I had something to share:( )


jm
 
Jim

You can send me your number as well, I will be happy to help and share. I will eventually have tutorials on my web site, but until then a conversation is just easier than banging it all out here. But feel free to post your questions and I will try to answer them.

Currently I reside in Tuscaloosa Alabama.

Rick
 
This is the above billet, folded 4 times and rough shaped. I sanded with 240 grit and diped for 15 minutes in ferric. The picture was taken with a scanner thus the poor quality. As soon as I finish this blade I will post a scan of it. The customer did not want it twisted.
chainblade1.JPG
 
Well Bulldog, welcome to the forum...looks like you are going to be a great asset.

How'd you like to make a 100% profit on another hammer? I'll buy one from you, shucks, it's Chrismas, I'll even let you have a 200% profit and pay for shipping! Send me an email and let me know where you want the money sent! :rolleyes:
 
Anyone who wants a hammer can get one. $600.00 + shipping, unless we already have a separate deal. Or you can come to Tuscaloosa Alabama and pick it up. I would be using new steel and a new 5 hp motor. But I warn you, this devil is heavy and I have no idea what shipping will cost. Or I will help all I can with you building your own. Its not that complicated and with the right resources it can be done on a very low budget as mine was.


Bulldog

Try this one!

Take some chainsaw chain and cut one link, then coil it up like this.

chainmosaic.jpg


Then place it inside a piece of pipe, cap and weld both ends. Drill two 1/8th inch wholes in the top side of the pipe, one on each end. Take a 30 cc syringe (pick up at the vets or a local farmer supply) and fill the pipe with kerosene. Place in the forge and watch the crazy flames. Once the kerosene burns out quickly weld up one of the wholes and return to the forge for a few minutes, then weld up the other whole. Bring to welding heat and pound away.

Before folding, cut away the welds, then fold and flux as normal. Twist, and fold a couple of times. Makes a real nice chainsaw mosaic. You can also wrap the chain in nickel, then follow the rest of the steps for a unique pattern. For the pipe I like to use 4130 chrome molly, but that’s up to you.
 
Ok guys, getting emails from folks having trouble with this.

You must do the following:

Flux heavily on first few heats

Work from all 4 sides

Get the air out as quickly as possible within the first few heats


Hope this helps
 
ok guys, this is the new coreless version of this Damascus I have been working on. The blade is rough forged, folded 4 times, sanded to 120 and etched 15 minutes.

What do ya think guys?




corlesschainbld.jpg
 
I'll have to try that, but I"ll stack the chain in a canister and put some nickel in it with the 1084 powder.:cool:
 
Looks cool...wish you had a clearer picture, is the knife as dark (black) as the picture shows it is?
 
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