Change in 300 series design

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Attention 300series collectors, edc users,general knife nuts and other campfollowers.
The 300 Dymondwoods have changed between the 2008 and 2009 issues.
The new DWs will be of comfortcraft design as are the Chairman series and smooth yellow scale series.
See photo below for new end shapes, scale widths and finger nic shape.

So for you guys that have to have them all or those that abhorr change, either pick-up a new model or be careful and only buy 07 or 08s. Black sawcut remains as was.

Just a post of FYI from your 300 non-profit group. 300Bucks

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300, Thanks for the nice photo and info.. Do you think both these designs will remain as offerings on this series at Buck ? Or will one be dropped ? DM
 
Bottom is design that is gone. Top is new future. I have no inside info on the original 300 black sawcut scale 300s. But, they are made in different manner, the old style knife,bolt and hammer shield is intergal to that side plate and ends of the knife. The new models "blue" side plate is not, just inset and glued in scale. So, in the end you can say there are two types: the old black sawcut scale 300s and then the new Dymondwood, Cherrywood and the new yellow scaled models. The limited edition green Paperstone series that are associated with the Boone and Crockett emblem, may harken the next scale type of the future , but is the same manuf. design as the other "woods".

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Thanks 300,
It definately looks like Buck has an agenda to revamp their Traditional knives and I am really enjoying seeing the changes coming about. Now if they would only offer some USA's in a nice Redbone............
 
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I like the new comfort craft design. I'll get one of those.
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Ha !! You've got to watch ole 300Bucks as he creates desire by simply posting his great photo's . Heck, he caused me to buy some Chairman of the Board 300 series knives by posting his photos and doing a write up on them .
I'm still glad I purchased them and don't even carry one . DM
 
DM- you are so right. I picked up one of those, and just got one of the new yellow 303's because of his reviews, and pics. I have the yellow 303 in my pocket now, and am very impressed with it. 300Bucks, you are either a very good friend, or a very dangerous one :)
 
300Bucks said:
Attention 300series collectors, edc users,general knife nuts and other campfollowers.
The 300 Dymondwoods have changed between the 2008 and 2009 issues.
The new DWs will be of comfortcraft design as are the Chairman series and smooth yellow scale series.
See photo below for new end shapes, scale widths and finger nic shape.

So for you guys that have to have them all or those that abhorr change, either pick-up a new model or be careful and only buy 07 or 08s. Black sawcut remains as was.

Just a post of FYI from your 300 non-profit group. 300Bucks

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The change is a good thing, especially if it gets rid of the irritating center spring (?) pin. I have two of the older models and you can hang your fingernail under the head of that pin. Glad to see it's gone.:thumbup:
 
Thanks Plumb for the rivet reference, I ran out of talk before saying that....not trying to influence, just having fun making pictures and talking knives....that little devil whispering in you ear is your very own. Mine has made me deaf on oneside and moved to the other.....if am influencing folks to buy knives I will request a free knife for services rendered to the company,,,ha........I wish, I wish, I wish, I wish.....the engineers and designers and the man that pays the bills would make scale rivet heads and nail nic sizes a little more in relationship to the knife and blade size......I understand the cost effectiveness of standardization but I wish, Iwish.....as example eyeball the older knife (bottom) spring rivet size in relationship visually to the scale rivets on both. That smaller spring rivet would sure look more pleasing, at least to me, over the current rivet size. Shows up well on those 309 sized slippies...........300Bucks
 
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300Bucks said:
Thanks Plumb for the rivet reference, I ran out of talk before saying that....not trying to influence, just having fun making pictures and talking knives....that little devil whispering in you ear is your very own. Mine has made me deaf on oneside and moved to the other.........I wish, I wish, I wish, I wish.....the engineers and designers and the man that pays the bills would make scale rivet head and nail nics a little more in relationship to the knife and blade size......I understand the cost effectiveness of standardization but I wish, Iwish.....300Bucks
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I bought two of the Dymondwood 301's without having held one, and if I'd had that opportunity, I'd never have bought them because of that rivet.
It wouldn't be bad if it was even as flush as the other two.

I just got one of the yellow handled ones and one of the Chairman's series 301's and love them! No protruding rivet!
 
Heres something for all you people like me that watch "How It's Made" on cable TV.

Here is why it is difficult to change the ole standard sawcut 300. The liner and escutcheon (shield) are intergal. The Valox scale is hot placed over the escutcheon riser and against the bolsters. You could change color of Valox material but no fancy stuff. The comfortcarft versions have set-in (glue) shield (like old days) and can come in varieties of scale flavors. Note: scale material in holes to help hold scale on. No glue needed, note tapered edges of spring rivet hole for ease of insertion...... 300Bucks(it's amazing what you can do with a dremel...ha)
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Ok, just to clarify, I understand the integrally molded part, aside from that, does the scale stick to the liner or is the handle material lock holes the only thing holding them on? Looks from your pic like you would have to chisel it off the liner. If so is there some sort of accelerator that casus the valox to adhere to the metal?
 
ima, He'll be along soon . But I think so as Emerson Case discovered this back in 1949 on his knives and the use of delrin as he pioneered the process . I've seen very few 300's with their handles coming loose . DM
 
Fritz and all,

It is my understanding that the Valox material heat forms to the liner but does not "adhere" to the metals surface. It is held in place by the spring pin, which is rivet headed on the outside of the scale, the slight pressure from the bolster and shield edges and two holes in the liner that material flows thru and is flattened or smashed flat on the liner wall inside the blade well. I was able to pry it out easily, AFTER it was cut in several pieces and had broken the bond of the smashed valox rivet-lke attachment. I also had to 'fight' it from around the sprind rivet. You can cut Valox with a knife but it is difficult. I think that answers question of Fritz. I have seldom seen a loss of scale from either Delrin or Valox in the 300 series. Shields fell off, once in a great while, on the pre-90 Delrin models but not after all SS,3 spring, itergal shield construction came into play. In the photo the scratches were from dremel wheel and where I had to fight scale material from around spring rivet. Ended up with razor blade making slices.

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Well, all I can say is you guys are working on my 300 seminar for SMKWs for me. Ok, heres some photos of 300 'Guts'. Let me explain and you ask questions if needed.

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Here is photo of previous old 309, the scale is gone, leaving the spring rivet and intergal raised escutcheon plate showing. Also showing are three holes in the liner where scale material in a "softer" state during manufacturing was forced thru the three holes. Then it was leveled / smashed flat in the blade well against the liner. See next photo. When you slide a thin small chisel under the scale it will eventually break the plastic "rivets" and let the scale pop off.
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In this photo you see the inside the blade well of a 301 BlackSaw Cut from the late 1990's. The black spots are the scale material that was pushed thru the holes in the liner (see photo above) then smashed against the liner in a cupped area surrounding the smaller liner thru holes. This cupped area then forms a sort of 'rivet head" of scale material to help keep the scale tight against liner. This era 301 has four plastic 'rivets' on the back liner only 3 on the front. because of escutcheon plate.
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In this photo you see a elk antler 301 dated 2008. Look in the blade well and you see the cupped areas made into the liner face, inside the blade well with with no plastic scale material in use. Liners utilized for black sawcut 300s are also utilized for non-plastic scales. Elk scales are glued to outside liner face. Quick count the depressions.

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In this photo you see a Dymondwood 301, that is using the standard liner with cups made into it for the black sawcut scales but you will see where there are rivets holding on the scale material. This is the same in the Chairman series and the comfortcraft yellow series.

If I showed the back of the knifes front liner you sharp eyed guys will see where there is a difference in the placement of the inside cups or depressions between the front and rear liner with allows for the casting of the escutcheon plate of the black sawcut. You sharper eyed guys will see where the positon and number of cups or inside depressions changed sometime in the mid to late 2000's. Smaller knives have same number of cups just smaller in diameter. So currently only black sawcut are using the soft scale thru liner plastic rivet head technique. The 'Comfortcraft' series of 300s are using rivets.

By now only about four of you are still with me, but just like the show "How It's Made". You know more than the average man on the street or maybe the average Buck 300 series knife carrier. 300Bucks:confused:
 
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