Charcoal - Questions

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What can charcoal (the kind from your camp fire) be used for?

It is used in many water filter systems, but what other uses does it have?

Does the type of wood used have any effect?

What medicinal benefits does it have?

What situations would one use it in?

Thanks,

Darren
 
Black if you are slack, white if you are tight!!! THIS WORKS! At least I can personally testify that charcoal works for diahrea. I have not been constipated and have had to use white ash. You take approx. 1 tsp charcoal for one glass of water. Also not to mention charcoal makes good camo when combined with some spit or water. Take care.

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Jamie
 
Charcoal is indeed a great medicinal aid. Its most common use is to stop diareha (a pinch or so usually does the trick). I have also heard of it being used in cases of poisoning (snake, chemical, etc). Supposedly the charcoal absorbs the harmful elements and through the digestive process they are then eliminated from the body. Fortunately, I have never had a chance to test this latter use out, but I would appreciate knowing if it has any basis in medical fact. As for the type of wood, I never noticed any big differences between pine, oak, hickory, etc., but I would guess that the hardwoods are better for medicinal use.
 
Charcoal in my opinion is an essential substance to know about when in the wilds or at home. I will rely heavily on an article from American Survival Guide magazine, "The Campfire's Secret," by Chris Janowsky (June '99, vol.21, no.6). Get a Copy!

In brief, charcoal is harmless to the body when eaten, mixed with water & drinken, inhailed or comes in contact with skin and can literally save your life. It is good for treating snake bites, insect bites, food poisoning (from bad fish, or meat), diahrea, ect... Charcoal works by binding itself to other substances and prevents them from having an effect on there enviorment. To give you a feel for the effectiveness of charcoal, in the 1800's P.F. Touery demonstrated the effects of charcoal on poison (in the human body)in front of the French Acadamy of Medicine by ingesting 15 grams of strychnine (10 times the leathal dose), mixed with an equal amount of charcoal. He survived with no ill effects. You can grind up the buned wood from your campfire, or buy capsules at a health food store. I always keep some in my pack.
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PS - Charcoal is used in hospitals and veterinary clinics for treating poisons.

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But if you are going to use charcoal, use a Volcano grill. It uses/delivers heat for cooking more efficiently.
Also, get a dutch oven, and Karen Hood's "Cave Cooking 2" video. And you'll have some real fun with your charcoal!!!

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Big-Target>>>>>>SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM

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Having described the absorbent properties of charcoal, ponder the effects when you then burn this under your food. I'm not advocating throwing away all idea of charcoal briquets, but be aware of where you store them, and ponder alternatives.

On the topic of filtration, charcoal, to my knowledge, will remove chemical stuff far better than small organisms. This makes it of little use in the world of wilderness survival, but might be good knowledge for the 'survivalists' out there to pack away for a future world (or present one) full of toxic substances...

Stryver
 
Charcoal is also used in the NBC (Nuclear, Biological , Chemical) warfare suits the military uses. It is supposed to keep the harmful chemicals from your skin. Unfortunately, when you take off the suit the charcoal gets all over your uniform.
 
During the Vietnam war, the Viet Cong improvised gas masks using plastic bags and crushed charcoal. "Activated" charcoal is supposed to be the most effective. Charcoal briquets are supposed to be "activated" (I don't know why). Of course, you don't want to use the ones that are presoaked in lighter fluid. As strange as it may seem, I would guess that you could use crushed briquets to absorb smoke from a fire.
 
Originally posted by Stryver:
On the topic of filtration, charcoal, to my knowledge, will remove chemical stuff far better than small organisms. This makes it of little use in the world of wilderness survival, but might be good knowledge for the 'survivalists' out there to pack away for a future world (or present one) full of toxic substances...

Well, there are pesticides and herbicides out there already, aren't there? So here it's one of the ingredients in an improvised filter as taught by the military and others. Interestingly, recent research has shown that the presence of natural organic substances disrupts the absorbation of them, so water works may replace or augment it with other methods.

Charcoal has no documented effect on diarrea, so it's no longer recommended here, and hasn't been for quite a while.

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I just heard about this today. Apparently, there is grounded charcoal that oyu can insert into a person, and they will throw up if they swallow poison. Didn't know they actually absorbed toxins and such.

Can you take a piece of charcoal, ground it up to small pieces, and swallow it to save a person from poison by the charcoal absorbing it?
 
The company I work for makes a suspension of charcoal in water that's used in cases of poisoning. So, yes it does indeed absorb various toxins - if you've swallowed them and then eat some charcoal.

I doubt it would do much for food poisoning since that's really a bacterial problem.

Normal dose is 50 grams - say 2 ounces.
And expect to have some problems a day later.....
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Originally posted by Scooter:

It is used in many water filter systems, but what other uses does it have?

Does anyone have a link as to how to make an improvised charcoal filter?
Also, I never could figure out the difference between activated carbon vs non-activated.

Eric

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Eric Chan, ekfchan@hotmail.com
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Charcoal for poisonings? Yep, it was part of the cocktail. We used Actidose (r) which had 25 Gm of activated charcoal, and 48 Gm. of sorbitol, an sugar which is not absorbed, and therefore acts as an osmotic cathartic.

Using it in the field? Well, only if your kid has overdosed on aspirin or something like that. Then you are forced with trying to get the kid to drink a huge amount of foul tasting stuff. Lots of luck. We hated giving the stuff in the ER, as people would frequently spit it out or throw it up, and it got all over everything. You would be better off just carrying some syrup of ipecac, and getting the kid to throw the stuff up before it got absorbed. Then getting him to the ER quickest way.

Use it for food poisoning? I don't think so. First of all, most 'food poisoning' isn't. The condition is usually an infectious enteritis ('stomach flu'). This can be a toxigenic e. coli infection (Montezuma's revenge, etc.), or an invasive enteritis (Shigella, Salmonella, etc.). The former just requires fluids for treatment, the latter requires antibiotics (fluoroquinolones such as Cipro are favored).
Neither type of enteritis would benefit from charcoal.

Charcoal does have an adverse on the food cooked with it, in most scientist's view. This, however, is usually thought to be due to the carcinogens formed from the combustion rather than the absorptive qualities of the charcoal. Stomach cancer, for example, is decreasing in the USA, but going up in Japan. It is thought that the increased consumption of smoked food in Japan is a possible cause.

'Activated' charcoal is charcoal which has been heated, thus freeing up the binding sites. IIRC, charcoal can be reactivated by reheating, but this is an extremely rare practice of which I have no personal knowledge.

Hope this helps, Walt Welch MD
 
I see there is some doubt as far as the treatment of charcoal for "food poisoning." I would'nt want to give any bad info, so I double checked the article (not that the article is correct). The author definatly said "food poisoning". He was camping (fishing) for a full month with an older man. A couple weeks into the trip, the old man got very sick (vomiting, abdominal pains, diarrhea, and blurred vision). The author thinks he had bad food poisoning or even botulism. I'm not going to defend the article, for I didn't write it, nor am I a doctor. Just don't want anyone to think I am putting false info on the post.
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posted by Jeff Clark:
I believe that activated charcoal has been treated with pressurized steam to "activate"it.

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Old3toes; I don't think anyone was questioning the correctness of your post, just its' validity.

Charcoal for botulism? Snakebites? Hmmm...

This sounds like the 'dead chicken' treatment which is a euphemism among scientists for folk remedies which are valued by people, but are really ineffective.

In fact, I just saw this term used on a TV program about envenomations. The thing is that most envenomations in humans are (at least from snakes) defensive bites; they inject little, if any, venom. Offensive bites are for prey; it helps predigest the animal for the snake; thus venom is valuable, and the snake doesn't waste it. This relatively low rate of true envenomation means that most snake bites will be OK without treatment. Thus, a guy gets bit, puts a dead chicken on it, and he is 'cured' thus, the 'treatment' spreads by word of mouth.

Charcoal for botulism would be totally ineffective. The old man's immune system finally rallied and fought off whatever pathogen was bothering him. It could not have been botulism; this has a high rate of fatality, even with treatment.

Walt
 
Originally posted by Walt Welch:
It could not have been botulism; this has a high rate of fatality, even with treatment.

Speaking of botulism, have you heard that the present "best theory" of why the members of the Andreé balloon expedition to the north pole died is that and not tricinosis from eating polar bears or something else, as botulism matches the symptoms better.

If you want to see where they made their hydrogen, the last of my photos on this page shows it:
Photos from Danskøya



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"Smooth and serrated blades cut in two entirely different fashions."
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