Chat - Demand for custom stone scales?

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I am interested in a discussion regarding knife scales of stone. I am not talking about glued on "Santa Fe stoneworks" inlays. I am talking about carved stone with convex and concave surfaces drilled for brass rods or screws. In my youth I was extremely talented in stonecutting and polishing. It was very expensive and I got married and we had kids so that all came first. I sold all of my equipment and now 30+ years later I am retiring near the end of this year and I want to get back to stonecutting and polishing. If I do this I expect the shop would be set up for use by next summer. There is a learning curve so I would only work with "practice" quality stuff for at least six months and sell them - probably at a loss - on ebay. So, it would be a year before I dare do any knives for sale with top end stone.

I plan to buy "blanks" and scale them - even for individual requests as if they do not meet the expectation I or the buyer had then I would just keep or sell the knife. I can just picture in my mind a six knife, 440C steel, kitchen set with tigereye handles that have finger cuts and palm swells carved in..... Pinned with brass.......

If I like the outcome I may consider some custom work but that might feel too much like work for my liking. I would probably stress out too much with a $300.00 piece of custom steel in my hands!

I am fully aware that I could not charge near what the labor would be at even $5.00 an hour to do this as each scale would take four to eight hours of work (8 to 16 hours for each knife!) and the equipment will cost at least four thousand for just the stone work stuff. I am planning on 8 thousand for walls, equipment and furnishing the shop as the space, 24 feet by 32 feet, is already owned by me. (Above my auto shop see pics -
http://www.chevelles.com/feature/january2004.html)

Stones I would work with are tigereye, petrified wood, jaspers, dinosaur bone etc so pretty much very expensive stone with the cost of just the stone at probably about $18.00 to $70.00 per set of scales and about $15.00 in "consumables" such as diamond dust, belts, blades, diamond bits, wheels ect. Without any labor costs a "cheap" set would cost me $33.00 in materials alone and probably could go over $100.00. I am interested in kitchen knives, folders and fixed blade only as the stone would fracture too easily on knives such as Leverlettos and Mikovs with their long "arms".

My questions concern demand for really top quality stone on handles. I am not interested in making a bunch of money but rather to sell for enough to pay for new materials and a bit more to pay for the ones I keep or give away. Do you think there would be enough interest in this type of work to at least sell enough to keep busy enough to make a set or two a week if I expect to charge $50.00 as the start point?

Okay... Let's chat and don't worry about upsetting me as I haven't set up the shop yet so I do not have any "big money" spent foolishly...... yet! :D

Would you pay $50.00 to $100.00 for killer stone scales, custom cut and carved, on a readily available blank or manufactured knife worth less than $60. such as a G-10 leek, which has removable scales?
 
I definitely would be interested. I've contacted Jay Fisher about that exact thing before but he's chosen to only handle his own knives. You might look around his website if you like that kind of thing.
 
Maybe you could find a locale blade smith and see if you could work together he makes the blaid you make the handle. I can imagine you would get some pretty good business if you were just selling for enough to keep the business running and not for stupid profit.
 
Would you pay $50.00 to $100.00 for killer stone scales, custom cut and carved, on a readily available blank or manufactured knife worth less than $60. such as a G-10 leek, which has removable scales?

No.

I would not want to waste something so unique, expensive, beautiful, etc., on a cheap knife. Especially not on a ready-made blade blank of 440A or something like you can get from kit & knife making suppliers. The blade and foundation work of the handle is the heart of the knife. The majority of the knife's value must be invested in them before embellishment. I would not add premium bark ivory or black lip pearl to such knives either; I'm not just discriminating against stone here.

It may be wise to practice your work on the inexpensive knives first, but if you want to sell enough to keep you going, I think you'd have a lot more luck by teaming up with a couple custom knife makers. I think you could get a lot more & better feedback on this by asking this question in the custom knife forum, too. Stone doesn't really seem like a mainstream handle material these days- probably the place I notice it most often is on interframe handled folders. Next might be fancy art/fantasy daggers. If you started working with gold quartz, I think this would also open up more possibilities and opportunities.
 
x2!
No need to put a work of art on a piece of crap blade.

Honestly, putting stone handles on a cheap blade would keep me from purchasing your work.

Find someone who will make you blades and go from there.
THAT would get my attention/interest.



No.

I would not want to waste something so unique, expensive, beautiful, etc., on a cheap knife. Especially not on a ready-made blade blank of 440A or something like you can get from kit & knife making suppliers. The blade and foundation work of the handle is the heart of the knife. The majority of the knife's value must be invested in them before embellishment. I would not add premium bark ivory or black lip pearl to such knives either; I'm not just discriminating against stone here.

It may be wise to practice your work on the inexpensive knives first, but if you want to sell enough to keep you going, I think you'd have a lot more luck by teaming up with a couple custom knife makers. I think you could get a lot more & better feedback on this by asking this question in the custom knife forum, too. Stone doesn't really seem like a mainstream handle material these days- probably the place I notice it most often is on interframe handled folders. Next might be fancy art/fantasy daggers. If you started working with gold quartz, I think this would also open up more possibilities and opportunities.
 
Thanks for the honest feedback. The reason for using blanks is to get designs down and perfected and to have knives that could be afforded for actual use.......

If I actually get really good at design and carving I probably could work with a blade producer and get the handle spacing I really want so those are really good points......
 
What you do is sell the original prototypes years after you start full production and they become collectors items.
 
Don't go cheap, there is no sense in an expensive handle on a cheap knife. People use expensive knives--it all depends on the durability/fragility of the handles. You will probably find people who are interested in custom handles/scales for better knives.
For instance, one of my EDC's is an $850 Koji Hara, and I have added wooden scales to a $350 Sebenza.
Would I be interested is tiger eye (or ??) scales for a knife--sure.
Greg
 
Maybe you could find a locale blade smith and see if you could work together he makes the blaid you make the handle. I can imagine you would get some pretty good business if you were just selling for enough to keep the business running and not for stupid profit.

Profit is not "stupid." It is necessary for people to make a living-in case you don't realize that.
Bill
www.billdeshivs.com
 
That should not be confused with profit being stupid, but outrageous amounts of profit, I am referring to outrageous markups on price that are uncalled for. There is definitely a need for any maker to charge with a reasonable profit but not unreasonable.

Hope that clears things up.
 
Once I get comfortable with making my own blades, I would definitely be interested in mineral scales. I'm in the same place as the others though on the scales vs blade blank thing: sure you can clad a dog turd with diamonds, but why ?

I'm buying stones for inlay and pommels and such from a local bead shop. Needless to say, I'm not too impressed with what I've been finding, mostly because it's not unique. (Yes, I'm a man shopping in a bead store but, no, I'm not looking for pewter skulls and studs for my jacket!) What I've been finding certainly doesn't say handcrafted.

I'm doing the same thing with blanks while I'm learning and playing around though, at least until I get a belt sander...

"Hooverville Custom Stoneworks"...has a nice ring to it !
 
Hi Redrummd ,

Going to echo a lot of comments above me but here it goes:
Love the idea of mineral scales on knives, really don't want them on cheap knives. A beautiful Damascus custom with stunning mineral scales would be a show stopping stunner!

A lot of people are willing to pay good money for beautiful quality knives. Don't shortchange yourself!
 
Like The Possum said why put lipstick on a pig as you still have a pig when all is said and done. I would be interested in your product if all aspects of it were of excellent quality.
 
Trust me on this... I only do quality...... Look at pictures of the Chevelle in the link of the first post. I did everything but build the engine, tranny and rear end. All of the interior, metal work, body and paint was done by me nearly 100% in the shop in the picture........ The final paint was shot by me in a real downdraft paint booth at a college. It took me 4 years of my spare time when I was not working either of my two jobs! I worked two jobs to afford to build it. (Over 43K in just parts.)

If NEMO drops in he could mention the quality of my stonework as I did trade a few stones I cut about 35 years ago to him....

The blanks I am looking at are not exactly dog turds with many at $100. to $300. each!

DeadEyeLefty - Where do you live? Close enough to drive to Tacoma? I still have some stones to die for.... Very high gem quality mostly but some decent trading stuff too....
 
I'm a little far for a day trip, Redrummd. Can you shoot me some pics ? At the moment, I'm looking for bloodstone for one project, and I also want a rose quartz cabochon, but that one can change depending on what's available. I've also been looking for topaz (wife's birthstone) and amber (her favorite), but nothing's really been the 'right' piece if you know what I mean.
 
DeadeyeLefty - You will need to email me at redrummd@comcast.net

I believe I have one or two faceted topaz pieces I would trade. I traded opals or fire agates for them about 35 years ago....

I have attached a pic of some of my work from 35 years ago. These are "traders"......
 
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