Cheap knives "made in China" can still be a good deal

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Wow I'm favorably impressed. I hadn't had any cheap "made in China" knives for years, and then recently I got a couple of S&W knives whose main purpose was to be beaters and use for sharpening practice. They came in today, and I was shocked at how sharp they are out of the box (both would push-slice paper as cleanly as my best home-sharpened edges). Plus, though they are clearly in the class of $12, made-in-China knives, both are cleanly finished, the folder has a good strong frame lock, the fixed is a full "stick" tang, and both use a good basic 440c stainless.

The picture here doesn't really do the S&W fixed blade justice. It's the S&W fixed blade trailing point hunter (SW640). For a $12 blade, it's a strong stick tang, nearly 4" long (about 8" OAL), and has a smooth, uniform polished finish on the blade. It's a high saber grind, I mic'd it, and that blade is roughly 0.156" thick at the spine, running nearly to the tip. The edge on this thing is razor, razor sharp: an absolutely EXCELLENT factory edge for such a dirt-cheap blade. The handle is a nice sculpted hard rubber with a good lanyard hole. Overall, a very sharp, well made knife and I can hardly imagine a better quality "cheap stainless" blade. Due to the sharpness, thickness, and 440c stainless, it would POTENTIALLY be a good light utility blade, field or hunting blade, if tests show that it holds up to hard use. For me, it will remain primarily a beater though.

As for the folder, it's also a S&W: the SWAT Frame lock plain edge, for $12. It's a 3.25" flat ground satin blade, nicely finished, an even 0.1" thick at the spine. It has dual ambi thumb studs but one unfortunate thing--forgivable on such a cheap folder--is that the clip is not reversible, it's only for a RH person and only works for tip-down carry. . It's a nice strong frame lock, and the blade pops open smoothly. Though the blade is not perfectly centered between the handles, you have torx adjusting pivots and fasteners in the aluminum handle, so adjusting it shouldn't be a problem. The handle itself is a smoothly finished aluminum, also with a lanyard hole.

I have to say again: though these knives were meant to be beaters, I am seriously impressed with the value of these, for $12 each. If you want a "user" blade, either folder or fixed, these are worth considering. And no, I have no connections with S&W, or the company who makes their knives.

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they look excellent and would fill the purpose of being a beater perfectly.. as long as you're happy, thats the important thing hehehe...
 
Smith & Wesson "Made in China" is a bit like an Italian "kiwi fruit". On a politico-economic level and on a flavour level.
 
Discretion and reviews sell knives. I also had that S&W fixed blade, I miss it.
 
I'm probably repeating this, but I gave a NIB S&W folder to a landscaper friend of mine. He's still using it a year or more later for cutting burlap , sod and whatever else a landscaper cuts.

After about 6 mos of non stop use , all it needed was a sharpening and the pivot was loose. Even the blade coating was holding up better than I thought it would.
 
If you don't mind me asking....how do you know?

True, I don't KNOW that yet as it isn't field tested. I could have qualified it a bit more as in: IN MY OPINION, this would POTENTIALLY be a good light utility blade... etc., based on the excellent factory edge, the 440c stainless, the 0.156" blade thickness, and the light weight.
 
Smith & Wesson "Made in China" is a bit like an Italian "kiwi fruit". On a politico-economic level and on a flavour level.

Agree, that's my gut reaction EXACTLY and when I bought these knives, I was prepared to despise them and use them only for practicing grinding blades by hand or on a belt sander. But after I got them, my reaction was more like: This is not BAD, for a $12 knife. Would I trust my life to it, over my Spyderco's, ESEE's, Benchmades, and Swamp Rats? No way, not if I had a choice, but I'd sure USE it as an efficient beater for daily cutting tasks when I don't want to use up a nicer blade.
 
Agree, that's my gut reaction EXACTLY and when I bought these knives, I was prepared to despise them and use them only for practicing grinding blades by hand or on a belt sander. But after I got them, my reaction was more like: This is not BAD, for a $12 knife. Would I trust my life to it, over my Spyderco's, ESEE's, Benchmades, and Swamp Rats? No way, not if I had a choice, but I'd sure USE it as an efficient beater for daily cutting tasks when I don't want to use up a nicer blade.
Reminds me about a guy talking that his knife was good to dig with. You never know when you have to go, and would hate to use the sharp blade that is needed for other wilderness things
 
They are probably not that bad. And I like the fixed blade one shape and size.
Anyway, the only problem I have had with made in China knives so far was the steel, not anything else. If they have used a honest carbon steel instead of their tacky stainless - that would be so much better.
But personally, I do not really need so many knives for working, and even less for beating. So I am simply in different consumer group. I have got more advanced knives for my EDC and am certainly not interested in collecting cheap chinese knives - been there, will not do it again. So, I guess it is not my thing. Of course it does not make these knives bad or something...
 
I've always avoided cheap knives since I could never be sure exactly what 'stainless steel' they were using. Now if these really are 440C w/ a good heat treat then I have no issue entertaining a purchase. While I don't consider myself a steel snob, I do want to know exactly what's in the blade on my cutting tools.

Mark
 
I've always avoided cheap knives since I could never be sure exactly what 'stainless steel' they were using. Now if these really are 440C w/ a good heat treat then I have no issue entertaining a purchase. While I don't consider myself a steel snob, I do want to know exactly what's in the blade on my cutting tools.

Mark

Agreed, the HT is the question. This is supposed to be 440c (I hope they're telling the truth--it's not stamped on the blade), but even if it is, we have no idea what the HT is. Hence my suggestion, these are at best for "beating", grunt work, and sharpening practice. That's all mine will be used for. :-)
 
True, I don't KNOW that yet as it isn't field tested. I could have qualified it a bit more as in: IN MY OPINION, this would POTENTIALLY be a good light utility blade... etc., based on the excellent factory edge, the 440c stainless, the 0.156" blade thickness, and the light weight.

Thanks for the clarification! :thumbup:
 
I have asked several knife companies that sell Chinese products under their own names about the steel they label as 440C.

They were unable -- or unwilling -- to tell me how the steel in their products compares to that of domestic-made 440C.

I suspect the Chinese version is an "equivalent" mystery steel.

(I'm not knocking imports -- I own a number of SRM and Enlan branded folders and I very much like the good ones. Just trying to clarify the question for anyone who's curious about these products. Hope this helps.)
 
Yep, I have absolutely ZERO expectation that the "440c" used in these blades is anything like the 440c used by, say, Benchmade in their Rant series. Still, these knives are $12, the BM Rants run $70 to $85. I'm NOT IN ANY WAY suggesting these are even close to the quality of the Rant series, or that you shouldn't buy the Rant series. Instead, my ONLY point is that for $12, these don't make bad beater/practice knives. If they were more I wouldn't consider them, but at this price, they are good for the uses I have for them, which is mainly suffering, hard work, and destruction. :-)
 
Thanks for the clarification! :thumbup:

In the interest of accuracy, I updated the original sentence to:

Due to the sharpness, thickness, and 440c stainless, it would POTENTIALLY be a good light utility blade, field or hunting blade, if tests show that it holds up to hard use.
 
Yep, I have absolutely ZERO expectation that the "440c" used in these blades is anything like the 440c used by, say, Benchmade in their Rant series. Still, these knives are $12, the BM Rants run $70 to $85. I'm NOT IN ANY WAY suggesting these are even close to the quality of the Rant series, or that you shouldn't buy the Rant series. Instead, my ONLY point is that for $12, these don't make bad beater/practice knives. If they were more I wouldn't consider them, but at this price, they are good for the uses I have for them, which is mainly suffering, hard work, and destruction. :-)

I agree -- with the caveat that I've often had to buy two to get one good one. And, of course, there's no support.

It is truly amazing how good these can be for the price. But the price, including shipping, would have to stay low to continue to make this worthwhile, IMO.
 
Good for a beater but I might not respect it enough to carry it, or at least not enough to order one sight unseen. If I found a used one and I could inspect it first, maybe.

OTOH you can buy a very inexpensive CRKT, Kershaw, or maybe other brands and have a good chance of getting a blade you can have confidence in. I have been carrying Benchmade for over 10 years but I recently bought a medium-priced CRKT to play with and I was very impressed with it. I've now considered buying a $15 Kershaw to try for EDC.
 
OTOH you can buy a very inexpensive CRKT, Kershaw, or maybe other brands and have a good chance of getting a blade you can have confidence in.

Indeed you can. And sometimes that inexpensive branded knife will be the near twin of that even less expensive imported model. The excellent CRKT Drifter and its sibling, the Chinese-made Sanremu 707, is one of many examples.
 
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