Checked luggage and knives...

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So, I'm flying down to the US at the end of the month, and am taking at least one nice knife with me (as a wedding gift). I've heard tales of knives going missing from luggage and would like to avoid this... has anyone come up with a foolproof method of transporting them? I was thinking something along the lines of a clear otterbox-type box attached to the suitcase frame with a wire.

Thanks in advance!
 
So they get to steal the Otter Box along with the knife? I would mail it down ahead of time.
 
I'd try and hide them in your suitcase the best you can. I've had at least 10 proto's stolen over the last year or so. Gotta love those baggage handlers.:thumbdn:
 
My first choice wqould be to MAIL IT, via INSURED and REGISTERED mail. Keep all the documents.

my second choice IF i had to check it....would be to PHOTOGRAPH the knife, zip tie it closed, and add a bright red or orange laminated card to it that states:

"This knife is legal to own and carry, has been photographed and documented prior to Check In. This knife is the property of <insert name here> of <insert address here> and has been marked via UV Theft ID marker. If knife is found missing from luggage, theft charges will be laid against the airline and the baggage handlers handling this luggage.



or sumtin liek that....
 
My first choice wqould be to MAIL IT, via INSURED and REGISTERED mail. Keep all the documents.

my second choice IF i had to check it....would be to PHOTOGRAPH the knife, zip tie it closed, and add a bright red or orange laminated card to it that states:

"This knife is legal to own and carry, has been photographed and documented prior to Check In. This knife is the property of <insert name here> of <insert address here> and has been marked via UV Theft ID marker. If knife is found missing from luggage, theft charges will be laid against the airline and the baggage handlers handling this luggage.



or sumtin liek that....
that's probably your best bet.

or you could invest in some of that death-spray stuff bruce willis uses in "the jackal"
 
What kind of knife is it? Someone suggested removing the blade, putting that in the checked luggage, and carrying the handle with carry-on. Obviously, this will only work with something easily disassembled.
 
something else you can do (esp with Spydercos!!!) is get a loop of 1/4" cable and thread it thru the thumb hole, and padlock it (drill some holes thru your suitcase frame) , as well as documenting it with a photo and placard.
 
Hide it in a hollowed out book, the lowlife mutts who steal from luggage usually run away when they see a book. Sorry, it's the retired cop coming out in me ;)
 
I've always wrapped it in socks then inserted it into a shoe or wrapped it in socks (gotta do something with all those pairs) and stuck it in my shave kit. Never had one stolen, but I never carried anything worth stealing IMHO.
 
I used to get stuff stolen from my luggage but ever since I changed my typical luggage bag (zipper type with one small padlock) to a hard casing type with multiple (6 locks!) it's been 4 years and nothing has been taken. I believe baggage handlers would go for something easier to open than a mini safe like mine :)
 
Ship it ahead and ship it back.You can also put it in a gun box with your gun providing the gun box doesn't get stolen.Dave:)
 
What kind of knife is it? Someone suggested removing the blade, putting that in the checked luggage, and carrying the handle with carry-on. Obviously, this will only work with something easily disassembled.

That might have been me. My travel carry is my EDC, a Sebenza with a customized/personalized handle of which I'm quite fond. I remove the blade, check it, and the handle is carry on. My Sebenza's flown 200K miles in the last 5 years w/o a hitch.
 
You have the right to be present and observe when your bag is inspected and then to lock your bag with any sort of lock you want after the inspection is complete. Just ask when you check in.

Sometimes, a ticket counter clerk will say, "Sorry, but you can't lock your bag and you can't watch the inspection."

Your response is, "Oh yes I can." And if they persist, ask for a supervisor.

Clerks will sometimes deny this because it causes them extra work and they're lazy or because they're busy and it takes extra time. But, just insist.

I have done this in every major and many minor airports around the country. Coming back from Bladeshow this year with a valuable cargo, I told the ticket clerk that the bag was locked and I wanted to observe the inspection. Her response was, "Knife show, eh? Just take your bag down to that counter with the sign that says, 'oversized bags.'"

When I got to the oversized bags area, the TSA person said, "Sir, that's a standard bag. You can just check in for your flight nor..."

"It's locked."

"Oh, knife show I suppose. Ok, just put it up here." And that was that.

No airport has been built since 9/11 and so no airport is architecturally designed to accomodate the new bagage inspection requirments. As a result, every airport has figured out some way to shoehorn the new bagage inspection requirements into their available space. This means that the exact procedure for you to observe the inspection and then lock the bag vary from airport to airport.

It's a good idea to arrive plenty early if you intend to do this. In a few airports, you have to actually be escorted downstairs into the bagage handling area to do this (and now you know why the ticket counter clerk may initially deny that this is permitted). Here in Portland, at PDX, it's very simple: everyone at PDX has to carry his bag from the ticket counter to the inspection station (some airlines have skycaps who do this for first-class passengers, but I wouldn't know much about that). At the inspection station, you just tell the TSA technician that your bag is locked. They wil say, "Stand over there please," and you stand in a designated area until the technician says, "Your bag is clear Mr.... ah... mmmmm.... Ghoulnack?" "That's close enough, thank you." And off you go.

As for packing, while I don't doubt that some theft from bagage happens, I suspect that the majority of knives that "disappear" from checked bags simply slip out. Pocket knives are small and tend to have slippery surfaces. They can easily slip out unnoticed. So, pack your knife in a way that won't fall out. A favorite trick of mine is to put it into the back pocket of a pair of pants, the kind which has a button (or, better yet zipper or velcro) that holds the pocket shut.

When theft from bagage does happen, the thief generally has to act in a split second. He has just enough time to insert a hand, grab something, and pull it out. So, bury the knife deep inside of your bag. The idea of putting it inside of a pocket of a pair of pants serves this well.

The ultimate solution is to carry a gun. No, you don't shoot the baggage handlers. You just put the gun in your bag along with your knife. Be sure to follow the very specific requirements for guns in checked baggage. Then, when you check in, tell the clerk that your bag has a gun in it. Now, you are legally required to be there for the inspection and legally required to lock the bag after the inspection. And, your bag will receive special handling all the way. You'll even have to collect it at the airline's baggage office instead of off the carousel. The disadvantage of this method is that it will cause you considerable delay because such bags are handled separately -- usually last -- and there is extra paperwork to be done concerning them. But, for example, for a knifemaker or dealer traveling to a show with a considerable number of valuable knives, this extra security will be worth the extra delay. By the way, the gun doesn't have to be anything special; a cheap, little .22 is all you need.
 
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when i flew down to Philmont i kept it clipped to my sleeping bag compression sack in my backpack while it was in the hockey bag. Normally i just put it in a sock though. I never had one stolen. but i guess i am lucky.
 
Thanks for the advice, everyone. The knife I have to carry down is a BRKT Kitchen/Utility, retails for $180. Not a hugely expensive piece, but I'd hate to have it stolen as it's meant for a wedding gift.

My thoughts on the otter box + wire were that (as Gollnick said earlier) most things of this nature would be a split-second grab, and that making it difficult at all would tend to dissuade theft.

Packing a gun in the luggage is not an option available to me, as I don't have a license up here in Canadia to own one.

I'll give serious thought to asking to be present when the bag is inspected, then locking it.

Thanks!

Fox
 
By the way, a knife as a wedding gift is in questionable taste. Especially in oriental and jewish cultures it's just not done as it would be seen as cutting the marriage apart, a bad omen, even a curse.
 
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Am I the only one who realizes that it's totally ridiculous to even think about air travel security when the people we have to hand over our belongings to are nothing more than a band of thieves?
 
"...You have the right to be present and observe when your bag is inspected and then to lock your bag with any sort of lock you want after the inspection is complete. Just ask when you check in.

Sometimes, a ticket counter clerk will say, "Sorry, but you can't lock your bag and you can't watch the inspection."

Your response is, "Oh yes I can." And if they persist, ask for a supervisor.

Clerks will sometimes deny this because it causes them extra work and they're lazy or because they're busy and it takes extra time. But, just insist...."

Absolutely.

In, say, a dozen flights, I have had to do this once or twice. The problem is that most people (not 'troublemakers' like us ;) ) will not do that. They are too intimidated by a white military-look shirt and a few embroidered patches to insist on their rights. And they "don't want to make a fuss."

Me? When it is warranted, I make a fuss.
 
I have never had any problem on domestic flights within Canada. My advice is to use a sturdy hardcover suitcase in good condition and a decent lock. Burry the good knives deep inside, and secure them with cord incase the suitcase bursts.

Secondly, arrive at the airport early, so that if there is a problem you have time to sort it out.

A few here mentioned using cable locks, a good idea, anything that can discourage theft is a good idea.
 
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