chefs knife question

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I usually do. I have for years, but I worked at the same resturaunt at night and on weekends for about 10 years, Since I was a teenager, To make a long story short, I just moved, and I got a job as an asst. Master Chef at a 5 star resturaunt. All the guys, the chefs, buy their own knives and everything else and and carry to and from work in a black roll-up bag. So I have to get knives. different types. They all have these german made knives, made with stainless with alot of numbers.The basic chefs knife is the most important. I saw AL Mar has some. But what are some other companies that make good Chefs knives, And would 154cm, or S30V, or VG10, Or the steels that I am familiar with in outdoor knives be good for a chefs knife, or should I get the german steel with all the numbers. I saw a nice ''Tactical'' Chefs knife on a custom site, maybe it was knife art. That would be nice, since I can legally carry it with me all around all day.;)
 
I will stick my neck out and say that the japanese made western style knives are FAR superior to the German (and French) brands. They have thinner edges, more acutely profiled and have better and harder steel to actually support those edges. The first few brands that pop in my mind are
Shun
Al Mar
Kasumi
Masahiro
Global

First three using VG-10 steel. Masahiro uses a lot MBS-26, a dedicated kitchen knife steel, with limited edgeholding but very fine grained and very corrosion resistant, propritary to Masahiro, but also used quite successfully by Spyderco for their kitchen knives.

I like Shun the best, the Al Mar series is of equal quality and slightly cheaper, especially if you go with the simple clad knives instead of the Damascus clad series (there is no performance difference). I don't like their handles so much. They are a bit too thick and clumsy for me. Kasumi is essentially identical to the Shuns but usually a few bucks more. The western style line of Masahiro (has several different lines) have a much stronger eastern imprint, just compare the shapes of the deboning knives. Completely different. Even though the have symmetric blade grinds, they have a slightly asymetric edge grind which is not everybody's cup of tea. IMHO the Global knives fall behind the Shun/Kasumi series, due to their steel (and the hardness they run it at). But at least they have a similar blade geometry instead of the clumsy German and French edges.

I should point out that you can make a good German knife to perform quite well with a little bit of regrinding and some prefer their balance that they are willing to sacrifice on blade performance.

Also, do not disregard "odd balls". Granton is famous for their meat processing knives (and obviously for their original Granton edge) and much cheaper than any of the major Geman brands or those listed above. The Santoku from Spyderco has also a loyal following as do some knives of the Dick brand. You do probably best if you do not select all style knives from a single company. Personally, I would always go with Forschner/Granton for deboning and large carver and grind them to whatever edge geometry I see fit, regardless whether someone might scoff at the plastic handle. There are also a few German brands that a much less well known but make a much better product than the mainstream companies, such as Messermeister and Schaaf.

Finally, the thinner edges of the japanese knives together with their VG-10 steel come with the drawback that they are more fragile. They can be steeled but you are probably better with a woodbacked strop with compound or a fine ceramic hone (Sharpmaker for example). They also do not like being dropped into the sink or banged around, they are much more prone to chipping upon abuse, because of their thinner edges and harder steels. In proper use, they will cut cut much better and hold an edge longer though. VG-10 is also not as corrosion resistant as the steel used in the German knives. It is still perfectly stainless steel, but you don't want to leave the knife in a wet sink.

Hope that helps. Good luck and congatulations on your new job!
 
Congratulations on your promotion!

There are so many great choices in the chef's knife world. Phil Wilson and Lloyd Harner are making beautiful chef's knives (the knives are beautiful, who knows about the chefs) in CPM154 that are worth checking out. Forschner and Tojiro get high marks around the 'net for their bang-for-your-buck offerings. Kershaw has a ton of Shuns in all sorts of classic, classically-inspired, and modern offerings. I love the looks of their Shun Elite Chef's Knives and look forward to trying their 8" one soon, but they also have the Ken Onion and Alton's Angled versions, too.

Your best bet is to find a foodie (if you see someone splitting an exotic softwood to add flavor to toast, grab that person) and he or she will probably increase your chef's knife knowledge twentyfold before you manage to break free.
 
Victorinox/Forschner makes knives for almost every kitchen need and many chefs who buy their own prefer these (very good value)

I prefer Spyderco, but most of these are discontinued and hard to get. They do make 2 models still and they are nice, but you will need more.

Kanetsune makes some very nice knives as well, japanese knives in VG-10 laminates and carbon steel knives.
 
I recently picked up a set of Furi knives (after SmartMoney magazine gave them an award) and they are really the best knives I've ever used in the kitchen. It's an Australian company which has it's product manufactured in China. Kick ass, hands down the best bang for your buck. Website is furitechniques.com - I think.
 
Be sure to check out Hattori knives, many experts consider them the best available and the prices are competitive with the other top names previously mentioned.
 
I'm a big fan of Murray Carters knives, not much more expensive than the big boys, and uses Carbon steel. They are the sharpest knives out of the box I've ever used. My sister ran a small catering business, I bought her a MC for her birthday a couple of years ago and she wouldn't use any other knives but his from then on. Kellam carries them I think.
 
Be sure to check out Hattori knives, many experts consider them the best available and the prices are competitive with the other top names previously mentioned.

Hattori is actually owned by the son of the owner of Masahiro. It's an upscale company....very nice stuff, but their top-end Cowry-X damascus stuff can approach quatruple digit dollar amounts....so not quite the same price category :). They have some more affordable stuff as well though.
 
Check out Cook's Illustated, They have a real good review of most of the top line Chief's Knives. Just got mine today, did the quick read. Thet do a fast blurb about a ABS master who does custom stuff. Once I get to read it all the way I'll get back with some other ideas.

VG-10 is a fine choice, after that your not going to be seeing blade steels your used to seeing.

I second Murray Carters knives. I haveone and love it. I've also given them as gifts. One thing everyone mentions is how well they cut/slice.

For value Victorinox/Forschner or Dexter/Russell is the way to go. You can save lots of money, and switch out the ones you use the most with really nice ones.
 
Thanks Guys. I don't see them on the knife center link, but I saw in the resturaunt supply store, some VERY nice knives of all knids. The ones that caught my eye had A greenish brown with black swirl Micarta handles, and VG-10 or 154 blades. I forget the name but they where in the hundreds and where made in the USA. I'm gonna get one of those for my Basic 8-9 inch chefs knife. Like you said, I'm not going to just stivk with the same brand for everything. I'm gonna stick with what feels good to use. I'll be useing it all day everyday so... One awesome thing about this job, since I'm a ''chef'' well my True title is ''Master Cook'', the Chefs are our bosses, Kind of like Officers and Enlisted men in the military, I don't have to clean up anything when my shift is done. I just cook and then go home, thats it. Roll my knives up and go home. I don't know how many of you are Chefs, or work in really nice places, but this is a far cry from working in a regular resturaunt, Very different from my days where everyone has to clean everything after close before you go home. I don't even know how I got this job. I do cook, and have for years, but I'm the only person there that didn't go to culinary school. Except the guy who hired me, who is an Ex-Ranger. I guess I interviewed well;)
 
I recently picked up a set of Furi knives (after SmartMoney magazine gave them an award) and they are really the best knives I've ever used in the kitchen. It's an Australian company which has it's product manufactured in China. Kick ass, hands down the best bang for your buck. Website is furitechniques.com - I think.

Doesn't Rachael Ray :barf: use and endorse those knives on her "cooking" show? No thanks. :)

German knives like Henckels and Wustof-Trident are fine for home use, but for extended use (6-8 hours) in a professional kitchen, you'll appreciate the superior edge-retention that Japanese knives offer. A lot. I mean, a whole bunch. For a minimal investment of $50, you can get a 210mm Tojoro Gyuto:

http://www.japanesechefsknife.com/DPSwdenSteelWoodenHandleSeries.html

Just check the whole site out, really. :)
 
I like Shun the best, the Al Mar series is of equal quality and slightly cheaper, especially if you go with the simple clad knives instead of the Damascus clad series (there is no performance difference). I don't like their handles so much. They are a bit too thick and clumsy for me. Kasumi is essentially identical to the Shuns but usually a few bucks more.

Me too, Shun knives are fantastic. I got german kitchen knives as well which are excellent, but my 8" Kai Shun Chef's knife is the still ultimate one.

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After using Henckels knives for many years I switched to Shun and I'm very happy. Very well made they are harder than the Henckels so less sharpening .If I were a professional I would never let anyone use, sharpen , or clean my knives !! Shapes of both blade and handle are for the individual to determine ,what works for you may not work for others.
 
go here and browse http://www.epicedge.com/ you should be able to find what you need. I would recomend the Ryusen line of sanmai stainless damascus http://www.epicedge.com/shopexd.asp?id=687&websess=56947444732829 though it dosen't say what the core steel is when I was at the factory where the steel is made it was a zdp 189 core that was being used. these knives are very sharp out of the box and hold an edge very well. But the edge steel is hard and should always be used on a cutting board to avoid problems. I believe that all of the knives mentioned can be found on this site.
 
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