Chester, mini sak user.

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I had lunch the other day with my friend Chester. Chet is part of our Friday morning breakfast club, but sometimes the breakfast club membership has lunches too.

Chet is an interesting character. He uses a 58mm sak almost exclusively. He hunts, fishes, goes on long camping trips, and has an active outdoor life that would have me thinking he'd carry a large Case trapper, if not a sheath knife. But Chet is also a knapper.

He's given me some lessons, and I admit it's a facinating thing to do. Being able to chip out a usable cutting edge from a piece of flint or even obsidian if you have it, is enlightening. But for Chet it proved a different kind of lesson.

Chet loves primitive stuff. One day we were talking about the minimalist approach to life, and he told me that early man was a classic example of what we didn't need. When Chet goes camping, he carries a small hatchet, and his ever present mini champ. That's it. No large sheath knife, no large folder. Just the small hatchet and small sak. He uses the hatchet for everything his little sak won't cut. Chet keeps a very sharp hatchet, and he whittles with it, guts and cleans fish with it, splits firewood with it. Learning to use small flakes of obsidian the size of a pen knife blade has influenced Chet in his choice of cutlery. One day we were comparing sak's, and I was slicing a ham sandwich in half with my classic. Since it was a little small for the job, and in a brain fart moment I had walked out of the house that morning without a pocket knife, it had to do. Since the classic is attached to my car keys, I can't leave home without it. I was using short over lapping slices, and Chet made a remark I'll never forget; "You know Carl, you would have have done well 20,000 years ago, you're using the same technique we use with small obsidian flakes."

I told him about the park ranger out at Mesa Verde who my better half, Karen, and I, had watched skin out a haunch of road killed deer with a small obsidian flake. He had used the short overlapping strokes, and I found that to work very well with very small pen knives. Like Vic classics and similar size knives.

Chet is also a gunsmith/locksmith and handy fix-it man. I've watched him use the tools on his mini champ like a surgeon or bomb disposal man. He'll take the cuticle pusher and use it to scoop up a tiny amount of dry gaphite powder and taping with a finger tip put it right where he wants it. The hooked orange peel thing get used when he's making a primitive bow or new atal atal, and he has to scarpe fine amounts of wood out. I think at one time or another, I've seen him use just about every feature on his mini champ. I asked him once why he didn't just get a bigger sak, like a 84 or 91 mm. He said so far in his life, he didn't need it, and didn't want to take up the room in his pocket with a bigger knife/tool. Having watched him field dress a deer with a 2 inch flint knife, I don't think he really needs any bigger tool.

It's interesting to me, that a man who can make all his own stuff from what he finds in the woods, chooses a Vic mini champ as his all around pocket knife. But then, with a very sharp small hatchet near by, maybe that's all that's needed.
 
Jackknife, I don't think I've ever read one of your posts that wasn't entertaining, educational, and thought provoking! This is another great one! :thumbup:
 
Man is a creature of comfort. We invent bigger and better stuff that we don't absolutely need because we want to spend less time working and more time having fun. In the process we forget that we can make do with less.

In Chet's case his way of having fun is by creating many of the tools he use, so he can get by with carrying less.
 
To this day I've yet to NEED a knife in the woods. Hatchet or tomahawk does everything I've ever needed. My belt knife is there as back up and for playing around. Last few camping trips the only time I pulled out my knife was to cut up a piece of duck but it was for convenience and not necessity.
 
Great educating story Carl:thumbup:
And there you doing it again:grumpy::D
Just like I was happy with just my Classic as my day to day knife, I'm now considering buying that Mini Champ that I have been curious about for a while after all:p
Are you sure that you're not secretly working for Case and Victorinox after all?;):D
 
I can understand where he's coming from. I carry a modified LM Squirt PS4 and to me it's the perfect tool. 99% of what I use pliers and a knife for can be achieved with the small version of the tools, and so I find it utterly pointless to carry anything larger. When I occasionally use the blade on my Climber I find it's like wielding a machete, and I actually find it less useful because it's less accurate.
 
Great educating story Carl:thumbup:
And there you doing it again:grumpy::D
Just like I was happy with just my Classic as my day to day knife, I'm now considering buying that Mini Champ that I have been curious about for a while after all:p
Are you sure that you're not secretly working for Case and Victorinox after all?;):D


Well, if I had to be working for any knife company, it would be Victorinx or Case. :thumbup:

I guess growing up with a father like I had, I am drawn to the maximum minimalisam approach. The fact that I have a few friends that also practice that has influenced me to always find out what I don't need. In my fathers case, his only pocket knife was a Case peanut, and if he needed some tools he would just reach for the couple of key chain tools he always had. For a bigger knife, he had a 10 inch blades golock type cleaver he made out of an English machete. He called it his woods tool. That was it, those two knives. A little pen knife and a cut down machete. So when I see Chet with his little 58mm sak and a hatchet, I realize that one does not really need all that other stuff they sell to knife knuts.

Some years ago, my better half and I had the chance to take a rain forest trip in Costa Rica. Our older son John was there in San Jose for 6 months on business for the company he worked for, and when he arrainged for us to visit, he also arrainged for our trip. He knows how Karen and I are avid wild life watchers with our binoculars. We spent some days on this trip, hiking and camping out at night in the jungle. The guides were great, and it was very interesting to see that every one of the guides carried a small black nylon pouch on his belt with a sak. The tinker seemed to be the most popular model, and it was used at night setting up camp and cooking dinner. Opening can's, working on a finiky camp stove with the screwdriver, and any fine cutting. That was it, a two layer sak and a 12 inch machete was all the cutting tools the guides carried. Every one of them had a small 12 inch machete on them in a nice leather sheath. The guy who had point duty when we were hiking to the next camp spot carried a much longer machete for clearing trail, but all the other guides carried the 12 incher. If pro jungle rain forest guides carry a sak and a 12 inch machete, I have to ask myself if I need anything different? Like watching my dad and Chet, it made so much sense.

In my 'older'age, I've come to realize how right these people were. Once you have the extreme's covered, everything in the middle will take care of itself. Dad would use a very small or very large tool. Chet does the same. Now in recent years I do the same. It works so well, I have room in my pockets for other stuff that is handy. The nice thing about small gear is, you can carry more items of gear. More variety.

You'll have to excuse me now, I have to go cash my bonus check from Case.:D

Carl.
 
Thanks alot jackknife.... i just love all your posting.... very2 eductional and mind openning... whole heartly agree with you...

please keep posting for us... God bless you and your love ones...
 
Thanks alot jackknife.... i just love all your posting.... very2 eductional and mind openning... whole heartly agree with you...

please keep posting for us... God bless you and your love ones...


And I was just about to hang up my keyboard and stop posting!

Everyone was complaining how I'm always costing them money!:D::D

Carl.
 
I just saw a documentary on the National Geographic channel where a team of scientists and adventurers were researching the species in the Congo river. A biologist used his SAK to take samples from the fish they caught. As far as I could see, it was a two layer red scaled SAK and heavily used.

I think that if you're interested in the minimalist approach or going back to the basics of using knives, it is very helpful to see non-knife people using their knives. For them a knife is just a tool. For most of us knife nuts, it is often more than a tool. Which results in discussions on steels, handle materials, blade shapes, etc.

My father is a non-knife guy, but he does carry and use his old knife a lot. He doesn't care about the steel or blade shape, the knife works for him and that is why he still uses it. Watching him cutting a rope and working in the backyard reminds me of the tool aspect of knives.
 
I think that if you're interested in the minimalist approach or going back to the basics of using knives, it is very helpful to see non-knife people using their knives. For them a knife is just a tool. For most of us knife nuts, it is often more than a tool. Which results in discussions on steels, handle materials, blade shapes, etc.

This is an excellent point and something all us knifenuts need to remember.
 
i always love to see a SAK getting used or hard used!... its a loveable tool....

my daily SAKs dont always look pretty, i keep the nice, shiny and collectable ones in my knives boxes, just for my eyes and pleasure only...

when i have to use my saks, i use it hard but try to not abuse it and always use the appropriate tools...

i just love to see some people could get creative with just a minimalist SAK.... these kind of post never bored me hehehe...
 
I agree with all the great points made on this thread. Makes me want to purchase another SAK though. So the madness continues. I also like the observations of what people see other cultures doing/working with the knives we love,very informative.
 
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