Chicago Cutlery P16

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I have a 'new in box' Chicago Cutlery P 16 Premium Stock knife and i would like to know if this is a Schrade made knife. The price tag on the box shows 1985 so likely it was made ~ 1984 (?).
There is a thread in this forum showing minutes about Schrade making fixed blades for C.C. but i cannot find evidence for folding knives.

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This page of the paper insert might give some clues:

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The frame of this P 16 matches the 8OT frame exactly. I do not have an 8OT circa 1984 (well, i do but i can't find them) but here are comparison pics with "Old Crafty" (late '60's) and a Stag 8OT from ~ 2000.

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The profiles of the Spey & Sheepsfoot are not the same and all of my 8OT's have a long pull on the master Clip blade, not a crescent nick. Also the bolsters on the P 16 are thicker than on the Schrade branded knives.
Maybe this has already been decided but is this Chicago Cutlery Stockman a Schrade knife ?
Thank you for this help.
kj
 
Camillus or Bear & Sons, based on the single pin. I don't think the handle shape is quite the same as an 8OT (not as slender) and more like a Buck 301. The bolsters look neither like a Camillus or a Schrade. The Schrade 8OT handle shape never changed much, if any, from start to finish.
 
Thanks thawk. i had not considered the lack of handle pins. Camillus "Woodcraft" knives came out twice, first with handle pins and second issue wood handles glued on, no pins, so Camillus is a definite possibility. I did not know Bear was active in the 1980's.
The Chicago Cutlery had made at least 4 slipjoint patterns: Folding Hunter 5 1/4"; Premium Stock 4"; Junior Stock 3 1/4", Slim Serpentine Pen 2 7/8". And there were 3 'lines': The "Medallion" with the round brass(?) shield; a series with the CC burned into the handle like a calf branding; and a series with wood covers left plain.
So the P 16 is not a Schrade. Does anyone know if any of the other 3 slipjoint patterns were made by Schrade ? If the Chicago Cutlery contract was with Albert Baer then Schrade, Camillus or Imperial could have been given the work of making one or more of these patterns.
Looking forward to finding out. thanks, kj
 
The big 5.25" folding hunters were Schrades. I don't know about the rest of them.
 
If salient information about who made which Chicago Cutlery slipjoints, their searching will pick up this thread and the info posted here or some other 'centralized' thread. Minutes of meetings might be found that mention C.C. or stamping dies might come to light, etc. Somebody must know. It was not all that long ago.
kj
 
edbeau said:
Chicago Cutlery knives have interesting wooden scales (walnut).
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I have a set of kitchen and steak knives from CC in walnut. I've had them since 1996 and they are still in wonderful shape even though I use them almost every day. If you keep them out of the dishwasher they last quite a while. If you ever see light greyish wood handles, those went through the dishwasher. The heat ruins the wood.
 
The Chicago Cutlery slipjoints may have been made and sent to C.C. unhafted and C.C. then hafted them with their own walnut.
kj
 
I have often wondered about CC knives similar to the posted knife...Camillus would be the best guess, since Bear did not exist before 1991.

If you look at other CC pocket knives, I believe that there was a totally different style stockman also offered, more like a Schrade 8OT with long pull master clip. Those could either be Schrade or Camillus.
 
Snagged these pics just now from the big auction site. To me, these stockmans look like Camillus.
 

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cilo, now i am even more confused. The Chicago Cutlery Premium Stock knife you show has a very different blade grind for the Clip blade than the P-16 i posted, even though both are the "Medallion Series". To me this suggests that Chicago Cutlery did not get all of their P-16 Premium Stock knives from the same manufacturer.
Thanks for posting those pictures.
kj
 
kootenay joe said:
cilo, now i am even more confused. The Chicago Cutlery Premium Stock knife you show has a very different blade grind for the Clip blade than the P-16 i posted, even though both are the "Medallion Series". To me this suggests that Chicago Cutlery did not get all of their P-16 Premium Stock knives from the same manufacturer.
Thanks for posting those pictures.
kj
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Yeah Joe; I have never studied the CC pocket knives in detail, but I have been aware of the two different tooling styles, at least for the large stockman. The smaller sizes may have been made in both styles as well. This implies at least two different suppliers over time, or at least two different sets of tooling.
 
Is Utica a possibility? They talk about their "taper ground" blades, and they do a lot of knives for other companies.
 
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