Chips forming during sharpening - possible explanation (not mine)

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I've been wondering recently about chipping that occurs during sharpening, especially as one moves up in grit, and a few recent posts have discussed this phenomenon, too, including one of my own. I found this guy Tom Blodgett's blog today and went through the entire four years of posts. Most of it is related to straight razor honing or the edge pro system and thus not really all that interesting to me, at all, but there are a few very good posts about general sharpening that I found quite illuminating. One of them was this one. In it, he talks about his research into why tiny chipping occurs during sharpening, especially at higher grits.

Take a look at this image from that post:


microchipping-1.jpg



He drew arrows to point to the evidence of a gouge from a previous grit directly above the chip, which is anecdotal evidence that the two are related... well, it's pretty damn good evidence. Above every chip is such a gouge. That means that, at some point in the grit pogression, a coarse grit cut pretty deep into the steel and weakened the edge right at the point of the gauge. As the sharpener moved up the grit progression, at some point "snap!" a chip formed because of the weakness of the metal at the point of impact on the apex and the lack of supporting metal around that gauge, which wasn't apparent until the finer grits revealed it, thus causing the chip.

It's the most sensible explanation I've read, so far. He doesn't discuss steels, angles, or heat treat, but he does speculate that "overhoning" lies at the root of the problem and suggests that "underhoning" is the solution. I would guess that a good grit progression and doing the work to completely eliminate coarse scratch patterns would help a lot in avoiding this type of chipping.

Cheers,

Mag
 
On hard thin metal, such as a razor, this can happen. With softer metals, such as cheap kitchen knives it has more to do with the purity of the metal and quality of heat treatment.

You may also want to start grinding the edge flat into the stone, a burr during sharpening can hide the last little bit of a chip and make it reappear in the finishing stages.
 
Makes sense to me... But if you do enough passes with the higher grit stones the gouges will *erase* and so will the chips, right?
 
good observation, what amazes me is that it was common knowledge among japanese chefs knife sharpeners that taking a thin hard edge to a very coarse diamond plate was calling for trouble. and this at a time when not much people did those kind of magnified pics.

i've never hit the apex of my thinnest kitchen knives with a diamond plate. even when getting rid of the microbevel on yanagis, usubas etc, i can work the bevel with xxc and xc but switch to my 400 beston when i get close to the apex.
 
Makes sense to me... But if you do enough passes with the higher grit stones the gouges will *erase* and so will the chips, right?

High grit stones don't have the cutting power, it would take all day to grind out even the smallest chips.
 
I've heard this line of thought before and verified it myself back when I was spending an unwholesome amount of time examining edges under microscope. This is one of the reasons I really like the low grit waterstones as they tend not to make those deep gouges when doing heavy stock removal. Still, every now and then one will show up following the first post-factory sharpening - I either back down to a medium grit stone to get rid of it or just ignore it.
 
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