Chisel H1

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So, I recently got a few knives back from Golden for sharpening and I was inspecting my Salt 1 se which had been damaged when the knife was stolen and then reclaimed. also it was partially damaged when I tried to sharpen it and didnt quite understand how to sharpen serrations.

But form them fixing the knife now it is not as wide though i was expecting that. but the serrations arent as defined and are actually a lot smaller than when new. Im not mad about this as that was required to to fix the knife.

But this did raise a question in my mind.

So Ive never handled a plainedge salt but i know that h1 is work hardened and thats why se h1 cuts like 154cpm and plain doesnt.

So since serrations are just basically chisel ground and after a few more years of use my serrations will of worn away into a plaineged chisel grind. Why not just cut the middle man and chisel grind the plain edge. I understand that the v grind sells better but you dont hear the emerson guys complaining haha.

Since h1 is work hardened and there is more work is done to the serrated blade I just think that if they just chisel ground H1 it should take the same amount of joules to make.

So the plain edge should perform better than the current model.

In fact they could just make one blank out of the h1 and use the same machines until it came time to put the edge on. That seems like a positive when it comes to production knives.

So what do ya think? Is there any reason why h1 cant be chisel ground? I seem to remember something about it not being able to full flat ground or zero ground. tho i have seen a ffg salt on the forums once.

And btw im thinking about having somebody just grind off my salt serrations.
 
A serrated blade has more cutting surface than plain edge, also the points on a serrated blade help protect the cutting edges.
 
Chisel grinds are not nearly as popular as a V grind and that goes for me as well. Honestly, I don't see any advantages of changing the PE to a chisel grind. Previously, Sal stated that they tried a number of experiments to try and give the same work hardened edge to H-1 PE blades but without success. BTW, I've read that the SE H-1 blades will cut longer than any other steel Spyderco has tested. Incredible stuff, really.
 
something else that may be in the way is that this type of edge is pretty much emerson's signature. even if there can't be any patent on this it's still strongly associated with emerson knives. not the best idea imho.
 
The reason given that H1 can't be FFG is that you have to grind both bevels at the same time (only possible with a hollow grind) to prevent the blade from warping. If you chisel grind a bevel, it would be like the first process of a FFG and I would imagine you would get a warped blade.
 
thank you for your imput. You knw with spydercos whenever there is somthing i want changed (the grinding on the waved endura!) i usually go gripe about it and present my case and think that there is a good chance they will change it. but with other companies i usually just accept the model with its limitations. haha sometimes i even take my questions/suggestions directly to spyderco. they certainly are patient with their customers.

do you guys look at your spydies and try to think of ways to improve upon their design?

if i had someone (much less the world) constantly trying to alter my work i would be snapping at everyone haha
 
CQI - constant quality improvement. Spyderco's philosophy with knife designs. As designs are improved, the older models are phased out in light of the upgraded ones. As far as chisel grinds being intellectually associated with one brand, not exactly. Maybe so with the tanto, but certainly not with every chisel grind.
Do not remove the serrations, the knife will Not be anywhere near the same. For one, the plain edge does not hold a great edge. Second, the geometry behind the edge will be way too thick to be a good slicer. Third, there will be a bit too much stock removal and it will look off.
 
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