Choosing a "Survival" knife...

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Nodh made a good recommendation and I figured I'd just get a small primer started. Of course, there are much more talented users and more skilled member on this board than I, but I figure those more experienced members would add their quite valuable two-cents to this post. As we say in the Army; the BLUF (Bottom Line Up Front), is that it’s the user that defines the "survival" knife, not the other way around.

What to look for in a “Survival” Knife:

First, let’s define “survival”; according to Wikipedia, “Survival knives are intended for survival purposes when lost in a wilderness environment. Military units issue some type of survival knife to pilots in the event they may be shot down. Hunters, hikers, and outdoor sport enthusiasts use survival knives. Some survival knives are heavy-bladed and thick; others are lightweight or fold in order to save weight and bulk as part of a larger survival kit. Their functions often include serving as a hunting knife.

Personally, I don’t care for the word “survival”. As noted in the definition, some might see the survival knife as the knife that is only used or needed for survival situations. Most outdoor knife enthusiasts would argue that you must practice and use your knife to in order to be well versed in its design and use so that you are trained to use it when you need it. So, although “survival” means many things, I would like to equate it to just a “general outdoors knife”; however, for sake of this post, I’ll continue to refer to the knives as survival knives.

There a so many different view and opinions about this type of knife that we must take into consideration the person’s skill, environmental conditions such as terrain and weather, personal tastes and even legal constraints. Additionally, many view the survival knife as the “one you have one you”, which is true, but several have backpacks, possible’s bags or other gear that we grab when we head to the outdoors whether to practice bushcraft and wilderness skills, simple hiking or camping and maybe even for hunting. In my mind, a knife that is typically labeled for “survival” is one that can do many tasks well, but is not geared towards anything specific, such as a fillet knife or maybe a hunting knife with gut hook. There will always be compromises and whatever knife you choose as your outdoors or survival knife, you must know the limitations and practice to skill to use it to its maximum potential.

The philosophies on what makes a knife a survival knife are so varied that it would boggle the mind. There are many experts that believe one only needs a locking folder or Swiss Army knife and there are other experts that would reach for a 10” blade; it really comes down to personal taste and skill. Many can do large-knife tasks with just a folder and those with large 7-10” blades can do amazing and delicate work with them. I’ve seen locals in Ecuador and Peru do just about everything with an 18” machete from clearing fields to food preparation in the kitchen.

Few of us here ever just carry one knife when we head outdoors, however there are restrictions for many people where only a folder is legally feasible. For those individuals, a SAK, multi-tool or locking folder is about it. For that reason, we must be sensitive (I hate that word) to some peoples’ choices of survival knifes…it may very well just be their Every Day Carry (EDC) knife.

So, before one decides on his/her survival knife, you really need to determine your outdoors activities, terrain, climate, season and weather. We all agree that any type of knife is an essential part of our outdoors equipment, whether it’s a day hike or extended trip to the “back forty”. Before I start throwing up pictures of knives, you really do need to decide on what tasks you expect your survival knife to accomplish. Here’s a list of what may be expected:

Cut (duh); however some knives can cut longer without needing to be sharpened
Drill; as in drilling a socket in a fireboard for a spindle
Scrape; much like a draw knife
Whittle; again, something that can make fuzz sticks
Chop
Baton; able to be pounded horizontally and/or vertically through a piece of wood
Skin and gut small game
Dig; not practical, but many argue that it’s a possible task a good knife should handle
Notch

Those are just a few off the top of my head, but many here understand that a knife is used first and foremost it cut and that knife should be able to handle those tasks with ease. Whatever knife you have or decide to use, there will inevitably be advantages and disadvantages with that particular design; understanding those will allow you to compensate or adjust your techniques in order to mitigate those “disadvantages”. In other words, your skill will overcome the shortcomings of any knife you have on you in a survival situation; it’s not the knife, it’s the user.

Even though the majority would argue that a true survival knife must be a fixed blade, I would argue that there are several activities and locations that would prevent some from carrying a fixed blade…legal limitation are of course a reality and some would just opt to go with a lighter package, hence the small SAK. So to avoid the argument, let’s just agree to disagree for the moment and talk about folders and multi-tools.

Let’s look at the simple Swiss Army Knife (SAK) or multi-tool:

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I my opinion, you need a locking blade for any folder. It’s prudent and safe insurance to making a bad situation even worse. Of course with any folding tool, the disadvantage is that the blade folds and is thereby inherently weaker than a fixed blade. Typically most SAK’s and multi-tools don’t have the higher-grade stainless steel and will most likely dull faster with a lot of use. If you have a folding saw blade, that helps mitigate the need for a chopper for small branches and saplings. For advantages, these are much more compact packages, don’t weight too much and offer more versatility with the additional tools. Although I would much prefer a fixed blade, I wouldn’t feel under-knifed with my SAK Outrider, Leatherman or Swiss Spirit multi-tool. I really prefer a wood saw and the file and scissors are just plain handy. Another tool I like is the chisel found on the Swiss Tools:
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Locking pocket folder (aka “tactical folder”): Just about anybody that considers themselves a “knife nut” carries a pocket folder. There are too many designs and variations to cover, but I’ll hit the basics. First, the most important part is the locking mechanism; it’s not a fixed blade, but you need a lock that will stand up to moderate use. I’m not advocating to toss your non-locking stockman knives out, quite the contrary, but I would mostly certainly pair with a larger knife or axe (ala Nessmuk). Here’s just a snapshot and there are many variations:

Frame lock
Lockback
Liner lock / Compression lock
Locking Ring (ala Opinal)
Axis lock and different variations
Button lock (found in most automatic knives)

My top favorite three are the Lockback, Frame lock and Axis locks. I’ve just found these to hold up to more severe torque, battoning, light chopping, etc. Whatever you decide on, make sure you give it a good workout; don’t destroy it, but make sure it can do the simple tasks you expect it to. A folder is not a fixed blade and you must adjust your techniques accordingly. Size can also be a factor. There are several mega folders that rival smaller fixed blades, but again, they are a folder and inherently more susceptible to failure.

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A quality folder doesn’t have to cost as much as a Sebenza; even Gerber’s Gator in 154CM is a an excellent lock-back under $40.00. Many of Benchmade’s axis lock folders range from $50+ to under $200.00 and are all quite nice.

Moving onto fixed blades: This category can range from 3 inches to over 10 inches in blade length. Most would probably opt for something that’s mid-sized from 4-6 inches in blade length, but I would like to cover them all. There are a ton of different aspects that can be discussed, here’s just a few:

Blade length
Blade steel (high carbon, stainless, differing alloys such as titanium, “Talonite”, etc.)
Blade width (narrow or wide)
Blade thickness (5/16” down to 3/23”)
Blade grinds (hollow, flat, convex, Scandi, etc); zero, secondary, thin or thick bevels
Blade design (tanto, recurve, clip point, drop point, spear point, etc)
Handle type (full tang, stick tang, hidden tang, hollow handle, straight, contoured, etc)
Handle material (Micarta, G10, wood, bone, or leather…don’t forget color!)
Handle design (straight, contoured, angled)
Handle to Blade transition (guard or no guard; choil or no choil)
Sheath material (leather or Kydex are the most prevalent)
Sheath design (Belt, slip sheath, baldric carry or even just for the pack)

Here’s a picture (pretty poor, but you get the idea) of a couple different blade thicknesses:

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From Left to Right:
Fehrman Last Chance: ¼”
Brian Johnson “Survival”: 3/16”
TOPS Pasayten: 1/8”
Koster’s Nessmuk: 3/32”

There is no “best design” as each blade is only as capable as its user. Some don’t like the American tanto blades, but there are some very talented people that can work wonders with them. Some shy away from the massively thick blades and opt for a thinner, wider profile. Some dismiss hollow grinds in favor or convex or Scandi-grinds; others would never consider a stainless steel, only a high carbon steel such as 1095, O1 or A2. Fully exposed tangs make many enthusiasts more comfortable than using a stick tang knife.
Choil or no choil; this will always bring up varied opinions, most believing a choil takes more blade away and those that favor a choil says it gives them more ability to “choke” up for different cutting tasks. Personally, I think a choil on a knife with less than a 5” blade is a little bit of a waist; for large blades, it can help to do smaller knife-tasks. Even handle material can make the difference in selection. As to hollow-handle knives, I would in general, avoid them. Unless you’re paying top dollar for a customs, the majority of them are junk and will break at the first sign of hard use. About the only affordable and available one’s I wound endorse would be Chris Reeve’s series…a single piece of A2 steel…
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Large Designs: I’ll say for me, this is usually anything with a blade over 6” as I most likely would have to have a baldric for carry or have it in my pack. However, if I’m going to go large, the 9-10 inch blades offer a lot more chopping power than most with 6-7 inch blades.

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ROCK6….to be continued…
 
Mid-Sized Designs: Probably the most common and often referred to as “belt knife” since most can comfortably be carried on the belt.

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Smaller Knives: These can also be carried on the belt, but can also be slipped into the pocket on a lanyard or even worn as a neck knife.

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I encourage others to post their “survival” knives as to show the diverse opinions we all have. For me, if I was to only select one knife for all but a winter season in a deciduous forest, I would look for a mid-sized knife that I could carry on my belt 24/7 (or as long as I have my pants on). I don’t care too much for drop leg rigs, however I do understand the need for a slight hanging design if you’re carrying on your belt and also carrying a backpack with waist belt; what I don’t care for are leg straps which work for some, but I’ve found them to hinder my hiking and if off-trail they will get snagged by vegetation. For a belt knife, I like blade lengths from 4-6 inches, any longer and it’s too cumbersome and will get thrown in the daypack or backpack.

One ideal size is Bark River’s Bravo-1. It’s pretty thick at 3/16” for a 4 inch blade, however the full convex grind really makes a great slicer despite the extra thickness:

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Special note on Pocket Survival Kit (PSK) knives: Most prudent outdoors enthusiasts maintain some type of true PSK’s, where the intent is to carry it and use it only in emergencies. Size varies, but space is always a consideration for a small PSK knife. A few I like to use in small kits are:

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Whatever you find that works for you, just make sure you:

1) Keep it with you at all times
2) Know how to use it for various tasks
3) Have a comfortable handle to use for extended periods
4) Have a good sheath system
5) Can sharpen it in the field on a simple stone or other sharpening device

This is only my opinion, and I’m far from an expert; but I’ll reiterate that it’s the user that makes the survival knife. There are several more on this forum that are far more experienced and could add more comments and advice. I just wanted to get a primer started for those just getting started.

ROCK6
 
that was very informative. thanks. your pictures were pretty good too! i see you got a couple of farmers amoung your multi tools.
 
Awesome report, Rock.

As I was scrolling down, I thought, "What, no Bravo1?" and then, there it was. :D

That's one hell of a collection, too.

Doc
 
very cool and informative ROCK...:thumbup: you have some great looking blades man...

i don't care much for TOPS knives, but the pasayten and sparrow hawke, i have always thought were great looking users...
 
DOC-CANADA said:
Is that a Vic RS that is in the multi tool photo? How do you like it?

I have the original Swiss Tool and the X-Model...of course the other is the Spirit. I'd have to go look, but i think the difference between the RS, X and regular Swiss tools are variations with or without scissors, seatbelt (curved) blade and file.

Thanks for the comments Doc,

ROCK6
 
i don't care much for TOPS knives, but the pasayten and sparrow hawke, i have always thought were great looking users...

I think that's the main aspect Mike. With the majority of users on this forum, I think you could hand them a kitchen knife or even a slab of Pakistani steel and they could get it razor sharp and maximize the potential of the blade. TOPS knives are most often over the top, but some serious knife users have really made the most of the 1/4" slabs of 1095 with or without the chisel tanto point. We all have preferences and my journey will continue for as long as my wife will tolerate it:D However, in the end, it's about the knowledge and skill of the user that makes the knife a "survival" knife, not some gimmicky advertising or cool action shots.

ROCK6
 
I have the original Swiss Tool and the X-Model...of course the other is the Spirit. I'd have to go look, but i think the difference between the RS, X and regular Swiss tools are variations with or without scissors, seatbelt (curved) blade and file.

Thanks for the comments Doc,

ROCK6


You must have been typing this when I removed that comment from my post. :D I had just been to your SAK post and saw that you had it. I like scissors on my SAK/multi tool and a file and that's why if I acquired a larger Vic than a Spirit, the X would be my choice, but they are heavy!

For years, I thought nothing would replace my Vic Ranger, but since the Spirit came along, I have never again carried my Ranger.

Doc
 
For years, I thought nothing would replace my Vic Ranger, but since the Spirit came along, I have never again carried my Ranger.

Doc

I'll hurry up and quote you on this one:D I still have a hard time leaving my SAK Outrider at home...it's just one of those items that you grab when you head out...a lot like your pants:D

ROCK6
 
Great great report and excellent thoughts, Rock6!

I've often thought of changing the name of this forum to Wilderness & Bushcraft Skills.

"Survival" implies getting the hell out of the wilderness as quickly as possible.

I'd argue that most of us here are trying to get the hell into the wilderness as quickly and for as long as possible! :thumbup: :)

Survival is all the other daily crap like surviving gas prices, etc.!!!!
 
Great great report and excellent thoughts, Rock6!

I've often thought of changing the name of this forum to Wilderness & Bushcraft Skills.

"Survival" implies getting the hell out of the wilderness as quickly as possible.

I'd argue that most of us here are trying to get the hell into the wilderness as quickly and for as long as possible! :thumbup: :)

Survival is all the other daily crap like surviving gas prices, etc.!!!!

I too agree Brian; "survival" is for advertisement not reality. Most will never be in a true "survival" situation, but being prepared for a daily crisis whether heading to work or heading out to play is more likely. I typically survive work in order to get out to the wilderness:D

ROCK6
 
Wait, that would make this the W & BS forum wouldn't it? :eek:

I think all of us will proudly admit that we are decent bs'ers.

If you give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. If you teach a man to fish, he'll drink beer and tell stories about fishing all day.


Back on topic though, I think it was nailed at the end of the OP. Your survival knife has to be convenient enough that you want to carry it with you, and versatile enough to handle widely varied tasks.
 
Great post Rock. Very well thought out and informative. You have a great collection of knives there!
 
Great post Rock. Very well thought out and informative. You have a great collection of knives there!

Thanks Tony, but I was hoping to get some decent debates going. I know there are a few here that take a large chopper out with them and I know several here opt for smaller fixed blades and some only a folder. Several here I'm sure carry a machete or hatchet.

ROCK6
 
Great post! I edc a Swisstool and think they are great. How come no khukuri's in your collection though?
 
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