chromium oxide questions

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Got some powder on the way but I've never used CrO in that form before. Precisely how is it applied to leather? Also, what might work to mix it with to turn it into a paste? One more question... if applied to leather as a paste, does it need to dry before use? Many thanks.
 
Got some powder on the way but I've never used CrO in that form before. Precisely how is it applied to leather? Also, what might work to mix it with to turn it into a paste? One more question... if applied to leather as a paste, does it need to dry before use? Many thanks.

I strongly recommend mixing it (rather than having it blow all over the room as I did :o the first time I used it) with just a little dab of soft shoe cream or neatsfoot oil. I mean a real LITTLE dab. Just enough so the powder isn't powder any more. I've also mixed the shaved bar stuff with lighter fluid but I don't think that's particularly good for leather. When I put on the powder mixed with soft shoe cream, an amount the size of a green pea covers my entire strop just fine, the shoe cream migrates into the leather, and the CrO2 is left behind on the leather and into its pores. As you can imagine, a pea-sized bit of shoe cream doesn't leave much to dry out... ;)

(Something to consider; how thick does a .5 micron abrasive have to be to work?)

Stitchawl
 
I would recommend mixing it also, with mineral or shoe cleaner as Stitch said.
If you want to do it dry you just go outside with your strop and powder go into a well ventilated area DON'T BREATHE IT IN then you just powder some onto the leather then work it into the leather VERY little should be used. Blow off the excess
 
The shoe cream seems like a good idea because it's something made for leather anyway. My concern with that stuff is it softening the hard leather, giving it some "give," which isn't a good thing with stropping leather, at least in my opinion. The only shoe product I have is Emu Brillo brand instant shoe shine cream, and it is "neutral" beige rather than coloured. So far I've applied it only to shoes that were already old and the leather already worn and softened, so I don't know if it itself will soften hard leather. Suppose I could do a little test patch. Maybe I'm taking this a bit too seriously, but can anyone comment on a particular shoe maintenance product they've used?

I've read about mineral oil being used by many people before, usually mixed with bar CrO, and no apparent problems with that. Again, me thinks a test patch is in order.

I actually just made three strops out of a piece of leather I bought (3x8, 3x8, and 2.25x8) so maybe I should relegate the smaller one to experimental/test status and leave y'all alone.;)
 
I use it dry. I heat the leather to open the pores, then while wearing latex gloves, I rub it into the leather by hand until it fills the pores. It doesn't take much. :p
 
I wet a paper towel and dab it in the chromium oxide and then rub it into my strop. Works well for me.
 
I've always just taken the bar-style Cr0 and simply rubbed it like an eraser on a leather belt. I didn't know anything else was required.... hmmm

:popcorn:
 
If you are worried about softening the leather, instead of shoe cream use "Sno-Seal" leather waterproofing. You should be able to find it in most sporting goods shops. It doesn't soften leather at all, but is soft enough itself to be able to carry the powder easily. If has the consistency of petroleum jelly but it had no petroleum in it.

There was a reason for my parting question about the required thickness of the compound application. Human hair averages about 100 microns thick. That would mean that when using a compound with a .5 mic size, a layer of if just the thickness of a human hair would be 200X thicker than needed! I know that when I rub a CrO2 bar onto leather the resulting streak is as least as thick as a hair. When I see videos of people melting it on in a layer 1/16 inch thick....

Not saying that this doesn't work... I'm saying we don't need to use that much of the stuff to make it work correctly.

Imagine a 2000 grit ceramic stone. The very top layer is 2,000 grit, as is the rest of the stone. But the blade doesn't contact anything other than the top layer. Perhaps down one or two, but certainly no further. It's the top layer that's doing the work. Same with compound. It's the top layer, a layer that is 200 times thinner than a human hair (lets say only 100 times thinner to give us some wiggle room) that's actually making contact with the steel.

I know when I first began using compounds I really laid it on. I was using the liquid CrO2 and completely covered the leather and let it dry. I did the same thing when I first used the bar compound. Really colored it all in like with a crayon (I did try to keep inside the lines.) When I tried using the powder (and I tried using it dry... mistake for me...) I put it on like powdered sugar on a cake. I completely covered the leather until you couldn't see any brown. (Actually, I completely covered most of the room that way.) Then I started doing some research in the wood carver's forums and learned that those guys would only apply compound 3-4 times a year even though they stropped their carving tools every day. They all said 'if you can see a greenish tint, you still have enough compound.' I started doing it that way myself. It works perfectly.

But Karl... here's a thought; if you are using compound, you are negating the silcates in leather (they are much smaller than the compound that will cover them.) Why not put your powder on a piece of MDF board? Still mix it a bit to keep it from blowing, but it certainly won't soften anything. That way you can have a good hard surface for compound, and use your leather bare to take advantage of its natural silicates? Best of both worlds?

Stitchawl
 
now what exactly is the chemical composition of chromium oxide used in the green stuff.
i always thought it is Cr2O3 but in the post your strop thread as well as here nobody refers to that. but some here refer to CrO (easy typing?) and some to crO2.

any of you know for sure?
 
now what exactly is the chemical composition of chromium oxide used in the green stuff.
i always thought it is Cr2O3 but in the post your strop thread as well as here nobody refers to that. but some here refer to CrO (easy typing?) and some to crO2.

any of you know for sure?

Based on the number of electrons of Chromium and Oxygen, it would seem that Cr203 would be correct but I'm sure lots of people "shorthand" the name ...
 
thanks. but cro and cro2 exist as well :) as does cro3
no definite answer there. cr2o3 is the only green one though...
cro3 is red. the other two are black

my take: it's cr2o3 unless someone proves otherwise ;)
 
yeah, I'm not happy typing cr2o3 also, so typing it (wrongly) in lowercase is also better than Cr2O3 (and I can do 10 finger blind typing).

anyway, did some more research here and on the net and it actually IS Cr2O3.
The red/pink jeweller's rouge is Fe2O3.

In the process of searching for it here on the forums I found another great stropping topic: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=611379&highlight=strop+compound+composition
check it out, good info there 2
 
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