Claiming unclaimed land..errr

Lazarus Long

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I heard somewhere that there are still homesteading laws on the books that allow you to claim land that no one owns. I think they said something about Alaska being one of the only ones left still having "free" land available. Kind of like back in the 1800's when you could claim land in the middle of nowhere for free. Does anyone know if there is still truth to this?
 
It was in force here, at least up to a couple of years ago, when the local socialist press went on a crusade trying to shock everybody that such laws actually existed in this state, and how dare they give away the people's property.:rolleyes:
I don't know if they were sucessful in having that law taken off the books though.:D
 
What happens when nations claim "unclaimed" land? :D

Canada island visit angers Danes

A visit by the Canadian defence minister to a barren island in the Arctic has sparked a row with Denmark.

Bill Graham landed on Hans Island, which is claimed by Canada and Denmark, during a tour of Canadian military outposts in the region.

The status of the island - an outcrop barely 100 metres wide between Canada's Ellesmere Island and Greenland - has been disputed for more than 30 years.

The Danish government says it will send a letter of protest to Canada.
In 1984, a Danish minister, Tom Hoeyem, caused a stir when he visited the island and raised the Danish flag.

Mr Hoeyem also buried a bottle of brandy at the base of the flagpole and left a note saying welcome to Denmark.

The UPI news agency reported that Canadian troops landed on the island a week before Mr Graham's visit, planted a Canadian flag and built an Inuit stone marker.

Reports say Canadian troops leave whiskey at the flagpole on their incursions.
The entire story is available at the link.
 
I believe every state in the U.S. has an "adverse possession" statute on the books. A trespasser is entitled to legal ownership of property if his occupation of the property is hostile (meaning without the true owner's permission), actual (have to physically possess the land), open and notorious (must be visible to all, including possibly the true owner if he is paying attention), exclusive (cannot share with others) and continuous (cannot possess for one weekend a month) for a period of years set by state statute (commonly seven years). If these requirements are met, a person usually only has to file an affidavit with the register of deeds and can then sue to gain lawful title.

Gaining land through adverse possession is a rare thing, but it happens.
 
Mr Hoeyem also buried a bottle of brandy at the base of the flagpole and left a note saying welcome to Denmark.

Reports say Canadian troops leave whiskey at the flagpole on their incursions.
I got to thinking about locating these flagpoles, and then I thought about the one in my front yard. Had any Canadians or Danes been in the neighborhood? I dug down under it and found:

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Esav Benyamin said:
What happens when nations claim "unclaimed" land? :D

Canada island visit angers Danes



The entire story is available at the link.


...add nukes and you have the current dispute in Kashmir- two countries fighting over what is an uninhabitable place (although it can be lucrative given that it had been becoming a popular place with mountain climbers). The soldiers have fast rotations because you can't stay up there very long...
 
geekswithguns said:
...add nukes and you have the current dispute in Kashmir- two countries fighting over what is an uninhabitable place (although it can be lucrative given that it had been becoming a popular place with mountain climbers). The soldiers have fast rotations because you can't stay up there very long...
Kashmir is actually a beautiful area with several million people living throughout the region.
It's where the british used to go in the summer(Simla), and it quite the tourist attraction now.

this is just a quick copy and paste from encarta.


"Kashmīr is almost entirely mountainous and is topographically divided into three regions: the valley of the Jhelum River, which includes the Vale of Kashmīr, in the central portion; the mountains around Jammu in the south; and the great mountains of the Karakoram Range in the north. The Indus River flows through Kashmīr, and the Jhelum River rises in the northeastern portion of the territory. Kashmīr possesses a more equable climate than that of southern and central India, and the beautiful Vale of Kashmīr is a noted resort region."
 
There has been no homesteading here in Alaska since the late 60s.
You can still buy land fairly cheap in rural areas and there are remote land sales by the state and local governments.
 
Sometimes there is unclaimed land in CONUS. Lot's of rivers have have small islands in the middle of them and they aren't really owned by anybody. Sometimes you can file for title simply by paying a fee. Rarely are they worth anything but you can pull your boat up and fish off of them for a season or two before they are washed away.
 
this reminds me of the sea forts of ww2, most famously sealand.
http://www.sealandgov.org/

After WWII ended, the troops were withdrawn from all bases by the British Admiralty. None of them was ever used by the United Kingdom again, leaving the forts deserted and abandoned. Except for the aforementioned fortress, the bases were subsequently pulled down. This resulted in the portentous uniqueness of the fortress. Fort Roughs Tower, situated at the high seas, had been deserted and abandoned, res derelicta and terra nullius. From a legal point of view, it therefore constituted extra-national territory.

This paved the way for occupation. On 2 September 1967, former English major Paddy Roy Bates formally occupied the island and settled there with his family. After intensive discussions with skillful English lawyers, Roy Bates proclaimed the island his own state. Claiming jus gentium, he bestowed upon himself the title of Prince and the title of Princess to his wife and subsequently made the state the Principality of Sealand. Roy Bates, henceforth Roy of Sealand, exerted state authority on the island and thus was an absolute sovereign. The royal family and other persons that have declared loyalty to Sealand have occupied Sealand ever since.
these aint sealand but similar sea forts.
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Free land for families tempts new pioneers to the prairies
By Tom Leonard
(Filed: 26/07/2005)

Once they came in wagon trains, scanning the horizon for Comanche. Now they come in family saloons, on the look out for good schools and amenities.

A century after the first settlers were drawn to the Great Plains by the offer of free land and a new life, a new generation of pioneers is being lured back by the same promises.

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Madecadel Juarez took up the offer of a new life in Ellsworth. The deserted main street in Geneseo [above]

Desperate to reverse decades of decline and depopulation that are simply blowing some names off the map, dozens of small towns across the prairie states of Kansas, North and South Dakota have resorted to desperate measures to ensure they do not go the same way.

Sitting under big, blue skies and surrounded by endless wheat fields, Ellsworth was once the "wickedest cowtown in the West" but now embraces a far more wholesome image as it tries to attract clean-living, young families.

Move to Ellsworth under the "Welcome Home Plan" and you can have free land on which to build, home loan assistance, free utility installation and 12 months free membership of the local golf club.

The town will also help with the down payment on a new house - the size of the donation rising with the number of children you are bringing to the local school.

Applicants must be American citizens or have a US bank account.

The town of 2,100 - which with its even smaller sisters of Kanopolis and Wilson quaintly insist on calling themselves "cities" - boasts just one set of traffic lights but several restaurants.

Ellsworth county, which sits at the centre of the central state in the US, has problems shared by rural areas around the world - fewer people working on the land and a brain drain of college leavers who never return.

The county's population has shrunk from a high of 15,000 to 6,000.

Anita Hoffhines, Ellsworth's energetic executive director of economic development, said if the population keeps falling, the town will be unable to provide services and the "snowball effect" will prompt residents to leave.

So far, 17 families, many in the last few months, have taken advantage of the home incentive scheme, coming from as far away as California and Las Vegas as well as from other parts of Kansas.

Most are attracted by the clean air, relaxed lifestyle, good schools, almost non-existent crime and the town's Christian values.

The majority took a pay cut but, as Mrs Hoffhines pointed out, they are aware there is little to spend their money on in Ellsworth anyway.

Like those in neighbouring towns, she hopes high speed internet access will offset the state's geographical isolation.

"We need people who can come here and be part of the community," she said.

"It will suit urban dwellers wanting to get away. But if they expect to have a sushi bar, a Starbucks and a movieplex it will never happen. It takes a pioneering spirit - you have to be willing to move out of your comfort zone." She admitted the lack of anonymity is also a potential problem in a place where if you don't wave back to people, they know you're from out-of-town.

"There are only about 10 people who dabble in drugs and everyone knows who they are," she added. This new version of America's 19th century "Land Grab" is currently just a trickle but it is already changing the Mid-West's overwhelmingly white racial make-up.

The Juarez family arrived a few weeks ago from Vallejo, California, and are Ellsworth's first Hispanic settlers.

Having never lived anywhere that had snow, Madecadel Juarez, 46, a maintenance engineer, was a little pensive about the Mid-West's notoriously harsh winters, but he insisted Ellsworth was "paradise" for families.

"My boss said, 'If you don't know where your kids are, don't worry - somebody does'," he said.

Ellsworth's weak points include a lack of highly paid jobs - the local prison and an industrial valve manufacturer are the main employers - and the obvious potential for boredom.

The main excitement around here is when a tornado hits town, but Ellsworth hasn't seen one in living memory.

Opinion is divided locally as to whether it is indeed such a great place to live.

Her colleagues at the Crossroads diner waxed lyrical about rural bliss and doors that never have to be locked, but Jessica Sheesley, 23, a waitress and mother, grimaced.

"You go to work, go home, play bowls and then go to the bar. And that's about it. And I'm not joking," she said.

It could be worse, she added. "I went to see my brother down the road in Holyrood, where there are only 500 people.

''The only movement you ever see there is when someone throws a stone into the pond."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...as26.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/26/ixworld.html

maximus otter
 
It's been several years since I've heard anything about it, but there was a similar program in Minnesota. Professionals, such as doctors, could get free land in exchange for moving to the area.

-Bob
 
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