Cleaning or polishing an old knife

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I just received a Schrade knife that looks like a classic 2-blade peanut. The tang is marked:

Schrade
Walden
N.Y. U.S.A.

And on the reverse of the main blade, 272.

The knife is unused, but there are a couple of rust spots on both blades and kind of an uneven patina. Is it ok to clean a knife like this?
 
YES. It is not an uncommon knife but does have some age. There is probably no etch so go for it. Since you do not ask how to clean ( or polish ot buff ) it would seem you know how to do this. I use a medium scotchbrite wheel. but it can be done by hand, or other means. This knife is in that zone where to restore it will only help value. LT
 
Thank you, LT. Actually, I was going to do it by hand using Flitz.

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That should clean up beautifully. It does not look like it is in bad shape at all, just dingy. I last found it listed as "open stock" in the 1975 catalog. The knives did not bear names like the Old Timers and Uncle Henrys, at least not in the shortline catalogs I have. I like that vintage of folders...the "open stock" knives. Some of them are direct predecessors of the OT and UH knives, and many are descended from the patterns of Schrade Walden, Ulster, NYKC etc. They are still moderately priced for their age, and not that hard to find in good or better shape. That "Jigged delrin" is very appealing and a good substitute for bone. I have an 897 (not UH) with those same scales and it still looks good after all these years. I'm not sure how old it is, but around thirty is a guess.

That second one is about the same age. I think it is a 234K. LT can tell you for sure. It is also listed as open stock from the same time period.

Codger
 
Codger, I just received today, a NIB 896K Butter and Molasses stockman. Unlike the 234K pictured above with the celluloid scales, the new 896K has Delrin K horn scales and it's a beauty. I only have a couple of celluloid knives because I'm a little leery of them.
 
Marked Schrade Walden the jigged delrin was made no later than 73 ( approx ). It was made after 56 most likely late sixtys. You are quite correct to be a bit leary about celluloid.

Celluloid is made of camphor and nitrates. It is quite flamable and may become unstable for many reasons. If this happens and the knife or other celluloid material is in an enclosed area it will besides destroying itself by a rather gross looking deterioration also cause any exposed knife blades ( in the immediate area ), to rust.

Celluloid poisoning can happen due to changes in light, temperature, not having been correctly washed when being made or simply by being in an enclosed area since this material naturally gives off a corrosive gas which if not allowed to air often begins to self destruct for this reason alone. You should have no problem cleaning the cell knife however I would try not to let the cell come in a prolonged contact with the flitz. By the way Flitz should work well on the blades since it is one of the more aggressive polishes. The cell handles look fine so there should be no problem just try to keep the knife in an airy area, unwrapped ( not in a case ) where the temperature stays fairly constant between 65 and 90 degrees F and out of direct sunlight.

A year or two ago I did an article for a magazine about celluloid. I called it Celluloid thou art a woman. The reason for this is that it has many of the qualitys possessed by the fairer sex. It is really one of the most beautiful handle materials ever used to make knives however it is totally unpredictable. It can turn bad for reasons no one will ever know. When it does go bad it is as ugly as it was beautiful. Any thing can make it go bad temperature, light, time of the month, no one knows for sure. Seriously sometimes cell goes bad just for the hell of it. When it does go bad it destroys anything near it.

They started making the K horn ( delrin ) version of the cell, butter and molasses in the 60 tys for all these reasons ( also because they were making delrin versions of all there materials.) Like I said they were never as pretty as the cell versions but they sure were a lot more predictable. I guess the delrin versions are the stepford wives model.

In the old days every knife company had a celluloid building which was always outside the factory away from everything else. These buildings had floating roofs which were hinged so that the wind could blow through and air the place out. In spite of this I do not know of any companies that did not at least once have the stuff catch fire and burn the building down . This stuff would go up if it simply got hot when it was being cut to size. It is made mostly from the same kind of stuff that gunpowder is made from like I said it is a lot like a woman. Don't mess with it to much or you might get burned. I know I did. By the way for the older members of this forum ping pong balls are made of celluloid. Which is an appriopriate analogy if you remember the original posting which made reference to various uses of ping pong balls. LT
 
LT, there was a listing for another 896K that ended on eBay today. The description stated that the handle material was celluloid even though it looked like delrin in the photo to me. The tang was marked a little differently from my new 896K. The knife in the pics is from today's auction and is marked, Schrade U.S.A. 896K, all on the same side.
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Mine (not pictured) is marked on the nail nic side, Schrade N.Y. U.S.A. and on the reverse, 896K.

Does this indicate a different manufacturing period? Which knife is older?

You have to forgive me, I love knives and have a few of them, but I don't have a single book on knives or any reference material except for what I read on forums like this one. I hope to remedy that in the near future.
 
Interesting! Mine is marked as yours, with SCHRADE NY USA on the nick said and the 896K on the pile side.

Codger
 
I will buy a cell handled knife, and sometimes I pay a little much for it. But I do so knowing the risks. And as LT writes, that stuff does happen.

Delrin really was a giant step forward in handle material. It didn't break or crack as easily as bone when dropped on a rock on a cold winter day afield. Had the obvious advantages over celluloid. And wasn't subject to the problems of getting real cattle bone.. like processors preferring to sell their bone in bulk to fertilizer companies or such.

Great info in your post, LT!

Phil
 
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