Cleaning up and using old knives.

eisman

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Experiences with auction sites opened my eyes to the number of people who rebuild (or remake) knives. While I'm not at that poit (no shop, minimal room) I have found that cleaning and working around with the knives I can find at "bargain" prices has taught me a thing or two.

Currently I have a small ultrasound tank that's taken my fooling around to a new level. It's amazing how much junk I can get out of a knife with this gadget. Currently the best regimen I've found is to soak the knife in mineral oil between bouts in the tank. This works for most (but not all) specimins. Wood handles do not react well to such treatment. Some artifical stuff does poorly too.

But most knifes get tremendous results from this treatment. The following are a few examples from a flea market crawl last month.

first is this Imperial. It's an inexpensive model with the pressed metal scales. Still, and nice size and pattern except for the rust.

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A couple weeks later after a couple cycles throgh the cleaner and with the appliction of a little Flitz and Tri-Flow and it's a pretty nice little pocket knife. Needs an edge, but when I decide to watch TV that'll get fixed too.

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Here's what the machine looks like after a couple knives. It's been settling for a while to clear the liquid, but you can get a good idea of the amount of material left behind.

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This Case Trapper was stiff to open and had no spring play at all; no lock, no snap, nothing. My guess is it spent a fair amount of time in a tackle box, and around here that means saltwater. The original owner had used a wheel to remove some of the rust, but all he really did was mess up the grind lines.

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I reworked the blades with files and stones so they're square and straight, and killed of the rust in the pitting. Vinegar does a nice job on stopping rust, but turns carbon blades very black. Still, it does not work as well as modern cleaners developed for steel at lifting rust. I tried severa different solutions on this knife over a couple weeks time. With a lot of soaking and a fair amount of exercising the blades (open/close) with heavy oiling it's now got nice snap and pulls at about a 5. I put the patina back on; I think it looks good against the yellow scales.

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This next one was tricky; the celluliod scales have been pocket worn an amazing amount. When I picked this up the main blade was the only one that would move. The rust was bad. I'm not sure if this was because of the celluliod or not, but the blades have very little worn away by sharpening (discovered when finally open).

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I had to use some less aggressive solutions to break this one free, but it finally let me see all three blades out in the open. The makers mark is Iroquois, Utica, NY. The main blade needed a little profile work due to a nick in the edge, and it needs sharpening, but it's usable again, and that makes me feel good.

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Now that the rainy season is here I'll be doing a lot more like this and then digging through the books just to see what I can find on each. New knives (like the Case) are OK, but the old ones are more fun to play with.
 
Great work! Another reason why I need an ultrasonic machine (the first is working on old watches)
 
Eisman, you are doing a great job on these old, abused knives!
Most of yours have celluloid (cell) handles, so you do have to make sure that deteriorating cell is not the cause of the problems with corrosion! It is slow but persistent.
The signs are subtle at first; cell shrinkage at the bolsters, and then discoloration at the cell surface. Hate to be a naysayer, but only your best friends will tell you!!
 
Excellent thread.

You've really resurrected those knives well. I hope when you put an edge on them, they prove to be worth the effort, they certainly look to have been.

Keep up the great work.....I for one will enjoy seeing more of your trad TLC.

Thanks
 
What kind of solutions do you use in the Ultrasonic? That looks like an amazing way to clean years of pocket crude out of older knives.
 
Fantastic job on those knives and a wonderful thread.

When I hear people talk about spending too much money on knives the first reaction I have is "knife rescue".

I know you cannot ask value here, and I know it is because of thinly veiled sales attempts. I wish you could just get one of two responses one used knives you've bought, either

1. careful when you clean that, put it up when you are done

or

2. use that puppy
 
Thanks Eisman!

Nice collection of "how-to-clean-and-restore-an-old-knife". :) I really like that - I have such an ultrasonic but I wouldn´t be allowed to use it; my wife needs it to clean her glasses (oil wouldn´t be a favorite then...) ;)
 
I have this Western Barlow that was handed down to me (I just posted a picture on the "what traditional are you carrying" thread ((I'm not sure if I can or should re-post a picture)) Anywise, my Barlow was in storage for a number of years. The odd thing is that since I live in the arid desert (SW USA) the metal including the blades turned black. I used some red Scotch-brite to remove it, but I'm not sure if that was the right way for that type of whatever it is. Your sonic bath looks like it may have be a lot better for it.
 
nice job eisman, is that shield on the case upside down? :)
youve done a nice job of rehabbing here, i have some that ive done myself that some people wouldve benn like "man, buy another knife" nope i'll fix this one its got some life left in it
like charlie said watch the celluloid
gene
 
Thanks to everyone for the comments.

I hadn't noticed the shield on the Case; interesting.

I try to avoid cell scales, but do pick up the occasional one. The equal end above suprised me because it's oviously had a lot of pocket wear, and yet was then let deteriorate badly. I don't store them with the rest of my stuff.

I wrote a thread in the "Maintenance" forum on the ultrasound, but basically hers' what I use. The machine cost $54 at Harbor Freight (with coupon/on sale). I've seen the exact same thing sell for three times that (one of the big bullet manufacturers slaps their name on it along with a premium price). Dawn and water do well to remove dirt and oil. I use this a lot between other solutions. Vinegar seems to stop rust (especially red oxides) but makes a mess and colors the carbon steels black (you want a fast patina?). Lymans Case Cleaner really takes the junk off of any brass, but it also copper plates other metals. Simple Green softens plastics and some celluliods, but is more aggressive on oils than Dawn. Honady's Gun Cleaner for steels works pretty good. I won't use flamable solutions, but I'm experementing with ATF. It should work well, it has a detergent and a rust preventative in it. Orange/Citrus cleaners work okay as long as it's bone or wood, but you have to limit wood's time in the tank. I've had several sets of glued on scales come off. Usually I run a knife through a couple different solutions to get different results. Still haven't found one that does everything. It's not expensive, and it's kind of a lazy way to get rid of built up crud.

I have given the knives a bit of a break, since I'm currently working over an old SxS LeFever 20 ga I've got stripped down to the pins. What a mess that was inside; I doubt anyone had the stock of in 50 years.
 
Great thread :thumbup: You've done a fantastic job there Eisman, very satisfying :)
 
I´ve done a lot of cleaning yesterday... it was a foggy and cold humid day. I went down to the workshop and took some of my fleamarket finds with me, next to some knives I got from friend. I removed rust with steel wool and used a lot of mineral oil on them... I was inspired by Eisman´s great work - so I took the time for cleaning. Sharping is work for another day ;)

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Great collection Andi (I know that is just a small part of it). Looks like you're getting ready to uncork some wine! :)
 
Jack... thanks for the kind replie :)

Well... this kind of knife seems to be very common here in Germany. Penknife with a corcsrew... I would prefer a bottleopener (as being a Bavarian :D )
 
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