Cliff, please read, i need suggestions...

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Ok im finally getting around to the hardcore testing of a tops tracker since i have a spare, considering this is a woods knife what test situations can you think of that could push this knife beyond the breaking point that one might encounter in the woods in an emergency situation?


I know the obvious stuff like trap making, extreme cutting/battoning, notching hardwood, throwing it double plywood (they do say it may be thrown as a tomahawk but i doubt this) maybe even trying to notch concrete.... other than that can you add anything i could try?

let me know!


Eventually ill get around to posting the results as i plan to do this, this weekend.
 
I would like to know how well it crushes nuts and garlic. Maybe you can use one side for nuts and the other garlic if you don't want to mix the flavours.
 
There are two basic types of high load work for wood craft. The first is work which generally isn't that demanding but can be if you are over stressed or conditions otherwise poor or just inexperienced so that you end up using a lot more physical effort and a lot less ideal technique. So consider :

1) Chopping into seasoned and small diameter hardwood limbs which are close together, usually found on trees in very low light conditions. The knife is likely to twist and thus see all sort of lateral loads on the edge which are really very difficult for a blade to handle.

2) Prying in woods very aggressively. Use this to gather pitchwood, break apart deadfall or dig an arrowhead out of wood. You can really load the tip strongly here and thus the tip needs to be very robust to not leave a piece of it in the wood. Similar in very rocky soil, working around and prying out rocks with heavy force.

3) Batoning on cross knotted wood. Some woods are structured so that it is impossible to split them without cutting through a knot, plus in low light conditions you could align the knife improperly. The worst situation would be the knot right at a weakpoint in the knife because the internal torque is maximum there, for most knives this is close to the handle as it forces a maximum load on the tang/blade juncture. Lean on the handle hard and impact the tip with your baton as hard as you can. In an really extreme test use a rock/metal baton on the teeth and see how they are effected and how they can be repaired "in the field".

4) Cutting very thick bone. The worst way is to have it not well supported and cut right into it perpendicular.

5) Use the saw to break heavy wire by working it back and forth until it breaks.

The other kind of high load use is the accidents. Just a few days ago I was clearing some brush and chopped right into a bottle someone had disgarded. If you go far enough into the woods you can generally get away from the junk but you still have to consider that the brush might be hiding rocks, that the wood you are cutting might be spiked, or just that the wood may be rotted and that you chop through it unintentionally and hit the ground. I would be concerned about the secondary point in the middle of the tracker if that took a hard impact. How would it fare and how are you supposed to regrind it "in the field".

There are also other uses when tend to be argued to be abusive readily by most such as throwing as noted, or lashing the knife to make a spear or a billhook. This drastically increases the loads placed on the knife and can thus induce far more damage, plus in some cases easily cause the loss of the knife (throwing, spear) etc. . With the TOP's since it is 1095 you would also want to be concerned with corrosion, so consider how much it is damaged if you are "in the field" for extensive times without oils/waxes to protect it.

-Cliff
 
Cliff,
Thanks man, im going to try these plus a few more destructive situations that might be less likely to occur, ill try to take pics and post them. excellent suggestions.

Kel, Ill throw yours in too, by nuts i assume you mean walnuts? ill buy a grab bag of whatever i can find. thanks!
 
It will be interesting to see your results. You could also explore more urban emergency survival because a lot of woods now unfortunately has junk left in it by people so cutting metals and such can often be productive to make tools and other equipment.

-Cliff
 
I was planning on going to my parents farm and taking a hike, i know where there are some junked vehicles 3 or 4 miles back in the hills ( i live in wv, its all hills) that i might try some rediculousness on, like cutting pieces of steel off in sections and some torque pressure. Im also planning on trying all of your suggested tests and anything that i can come up with, as well as Tom browns suggested uses listed in the manual.maybe attempt to cut some firewood by battoning, boy this knife is gonna hate me when im done.

Ill probably need some suggestions on how to completely take off the blade coating and refinsh afterwards because that coating wears EASILY and its starting to look very well used now, so after this weekend.... i shudder to think.

If you guys dont hear from me in a while, it will mean im a poor tomahawk thrower and may be in the hospital. lol. :D :D

3) you say at the weakest point in the blade, i would expect that to be where the axe blade meets the draw blade? just getting facts straight!
 
The main weak point on many blades is tha tang/blade junction but that usually is just for stick tangs. For this one yes a big concern would be the intersecton of the two grinds.

-Cliff
 
Thanks again Cliff. i figure the tang *should* be pretty sturdy on this one,


just a note, testing postponed due to rain and my wife stole my camera phone :(
 
I bought a TOPS Tracker because I though it could be an interesting idea. After I held one (still have it) I realize it tries to acomplish many tasks and falls short in some on them (chopping for example, for a knife that weights so much). I would love to see some testing in the real world to see if my impressions were wrong.

darkestthicket and/or Cliff: Have you ever held or used another version of this design?
 
I have not, I think the design is absurd and has severe problems for wood working. It reminds me of knives like the TOP's Steel Eagle. I tend to prefer a simpler design.

-Cliff
 
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