Cliff Stamp, a question for you.

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Cliff,
How long did it take you to sharpen the Battle Mistress in this post?
http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum41/HTML/001047.html

Also, how long did it take before you could reliably do this sharpening from start to finish and have consistant results? I could do the same thing as you, but since I dont often strop my knives I might not get the same results. Did you do the 100 strokes per side and then switch to the other side? And continue sharpening only one side and then the other throughout the sharpening process? If you did the 100 strokes per side and then switched to the other side did you get a burr? How noticable was it?
Do you try and maintain the same angle on the canvas as you did on the DMT stones?

Thank you,
Shawn
Edited to add another question

[This message has been edited by MrCas (edited 06-11-2001).]
 
Shawn :

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">How long did it take you to sharpen the Battle Mistress in this post?
http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum41/HTML/001047.html</font>

Around 20 +/- 5 minutes. I was watching a movie at the time, if I was just
sharpening the time would be cut in about half.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">how long did it take before you could reliably do this sharpening
from start to finish and have consistant results? </font>

I learned the basics of sharpening from my grandfather and you learn very
quickly from someone of great skill who watches you very closely and points
out your mistakes. If I had to make things up on my own then I would have
taken much longer. I have also benefited much from discussions on sharpening
with people like Joe Talmadge and Will York plus makers like Phil Wilson,
Jerry Busse, R.J. Martin, Neil Blackwood, Mel Sorg, Ray Kirk, etc. . Plus
there are many great books on the subject like "The Complete Guide To
Sharpening" by Leonard Lee, I thought I used to grind edges thin before I
read that.

The strongest recommendations I can make in regards to sharpening is to
outline the bevel with a marker and get some way of looking at the edge
under magnification. The marker will tell you if you are hitting the bevel
or not and the magnification will allow you to see potential problems that
would otherwise be very frustrating. For example I was sharpening a blade
for a friend several months ago and it would not get sharp. When I checked
it under magnification the edge had been severely damaged by corrosion and
thus it was breaking apart. The solution was to simply grind away a good
deal of metal before I had a strong base to work with. If you are working on
flat ground edges then use some kind of guide to start, the Razor Edge
guides are recommented by Joe Talmadge and since they reproduce the same
motions as freehand sharpening you will gain valuable experience with out
all the frustration.


The biggest practical problem comes with your first sharpening. Most knives
are ground way to thick for cutting most materials. If you try to alter the
angle you have some serious work set out for you. It can take about an hour
to make a significant change in angle on a steel with a decent wear
resistance and this is using a very abrasive hone (220 grit Japanese
waterstone with 80 grit SiC lapping compound). The other huge problem is
that a lot of production knives are sharpened with belts and thus have
uneven bevels. There can be valleys in the edge so deep that it takes
hundreds of passes on a stone to make the edge even. Unless you had the edge
marked out this would be very frustrating to deal with as you would have a
large spot (1cm+) that refused to get sharp.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I dont often strop my knives</font>

The stropping is done mainly to wax the edge which fills in the grind lines and thus allows a smoother cut while providing some corrosion resistance. It also lightly aligns and enhances the convex nature. It is not a major step. You can also remove the sandpaper and finish on a flat hone. A convex bevel however does offer greater edge durablity at a particular level of cutting ability due to the slimmer shoulders and lower drag profile.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Did you do the 100 strokes per side and then switch to the other
side? </font>

No, I alternated every 25 strokes or so. If I did them all on one side and then flipped it would generate a large burr as you noted. I have seen them that large you can clearly see them at times and even peel off a strip of metal with your finger nail, that usually only happens with really worn edges though.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Do you try and maintain the same angle on the canvas as you did on the DMT stones?</font>

No, it will deform so as to match the bevel under light pressure. I generally just keep below it.

-Cliff


[This message has been edited by Cliff Stamp (edited 06-12-2001).]
 
Thank you for the fast reply Cliff.

I have read the Razors Edge Book of Sharpening and I found it to be a great source of information. I also have the Razor Edge guides. I like to use them when I am thinning out a bevel for the first time. I can get crisp clean bevels while still appling a lot of pressure. I have been thinking of getting some type of magnification device for quite some time now. I think that it would be a great sharpening aid.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> The other huge problem is
that a lot of production knives are sharpened with belts and thus have
uneven bevels. There can be valleys in the edge so deep that it takes
hundreds of passes on a stone to make the edge even. Unless you had the edge
marked out this would be very frustrating to deal with as you would have a
large spot (1cm+) that refused to get sharp.</font>
I am dealing with this problem right now and it is at the very tip of the knife.

Thank you again.

Shawn
 
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