Clone Knives

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These clone copies of popular knives seem to get better all the time. I don't mean in appearance but in quality. I picked up some close copies of some large hoggish fixed blades at a gun show this weekend and they are amazingly good quality. Keep an edge very nicely.They weren't sold as "The companies" knives but look very close to the real thing. Some of these knock off's are pretty poorly made and steal a companys name and emblem but now they seem well thought out and quality material. I guess my question is it okay if they look like a popular knife but have some slight changes and no branding? Be no different than buying a bowie knife of one shape and finding another shaped the same over seas? Correct?
 
"Clones." :barf:

Although there are some great products coming from overseas (even some great companies making pretty good knives in... China... although they are licensed products of these companies and not clones) clones are a whole different animal, it seems. And it isn't just with knives.

Recently my younger brother brought a hard drive to me, for his gaming system, as he was having trouble playing some games on it. I did some tinkering and through some sleuthing and some testing managed to figure out it was a very, very convincing clone of the actual hard drive he needed for his product. The difference being the clones CAN do most everything the real thing can, and look good doing it, with the exception of playing some of the games he was trying to play... that part they can't crack yet. In fact in this industry, hard drives like this aren't even sold as clones, but AS the real thing, WITH very convincing packaging and markings to boot. That's how they managed to fool him into buying it (and likely fooled the dealer into buying them as well).

I guess I use that example just to say, while I think there are a lot of great products coming from overseas in general, I think clones in any market, especially if they are intentionally trying to say they are [insert knife brand here] is a terrible practice. I'm not saying that's what was being done with the knives you picked up, (though that may be) but clones tend to leave a bad taste in my mouth, I'm afraid.

I can't fault you for finding the edge, cutting, fit and finish or whatever good, if it's good it's good, but I still think it is somewhat questionable. Through life experience I've also recently learned of a trend in business known as "dumping."

I'm going off on a tangent here but I guess my point is, there are certain rules, and it becomes distasteful when they aren't followed. Not trying to jump on a soapbox here in any way though.
 
i notice that as well, it makes it tough to pass up. the crk rip offs are starting to become pretty nice
 
It's your money. Spend it however you like. Why don't you post some pictures so we can get a look at these things?
 
I guess my question is it okay if they look like a popular knife but have some slight changes and no branding?
IBTL

If it's OK with you, it's OK with me. But I wouldn't expect a reasoned discussion to take place about clones in this forum. What I will say is what I've said before. Not all clones are created equal. And some of them are very well made, indeed.
 
I'd like to see as well. I do not know what a hoggish knife is.

Good opportunity to expand on my earlier post.

When there are an infinite number of knife designs to be made, and a makers is so similar to a brand like Busse's design that it is referred to as "hoggish"...then the maker is clearly taking advantage of the originals design to sell their "clone."

That bothers me. I'm not bothered by whether or not anyone else is bothered by it,
 
Good opportunity to expand on my earlier post.

When there are an infinite number of knife designs to be made, and a makers is so similar to a brand like Busse's design that it is referred to as "hoggish"...then the maker is clearly taking advantage of the originals design to sell their "clone."

That bothers me. I'm not bothered by whether or not anyone else is bothered by it,

Interesting, thanks marcinek, some new knife jargon for me.
 
Having seen some photos but not having owned one, do they have a hog-like appearance, or are Busse knives referred to in the industry as hogs or something?

I believe the Busse types refer to themselves (and their knives) as hogs. I don't venture into that world very often, too many acronyms and flipping going on.

No doubt they are fine knives. Apparently fine enough to "clone."
 
Quality improvements aside, I feel that a very significant aspect of the real product is that you almost always have a warranty. A clone may be exceptionally well-made, but say it develops and issue or you lose a part...?

I gave up on clones a while ago. The "good" clones have price tags at $150+ and are still not up to par with Spyderco, Benchmade, and Kershaw's offerings in that price range. All the clones have is a similar appearance and roughly the same materials - often with fit and finish issues that, IMO, defeat the entire point of owning an expensive knife.

There's no winning with clones, period. Even if you get a good facsimile, you still don't have what you actually wanted.
 
Quality improvements aside, I feel that a very significant aspect of the real product is that you almost always have a warranty. A clone may be exceptionally well-made, but say it develops and issue or you lose a part...?

I gave up on clones a while ago. The "good" clones have price tags at $150+ and are still not up to par with Spyderco, Benchmade, and Kershaw's offerings in that price range. All the clones have is a similar appearance and roughly the same materials - often with fit and finish issues that, IMO, defeat the entire point of owning an expensive knife.

There's no winning with clones, period. Even if you get a good facsimile, you still don't have what you actually wanted.

Well, I do not want to say that clones present any value. I do not actually own any and I can not even remember ever buying one. Just want to say a word about that warranty thing, because it gets mentioned quite often and is used as a justification for higher knife price: guys, it may have some value for those of you who live in US, but probably for nobody else! I live in Canada, just the next door to you and that warranty is of no much use for me: with posting about $40 each way I do not think I could be bothered about it! So paying a premium for a knife for a life-time warranty: excuse me! I sure pay extra for that "quality" that I have got associated with the brand name in my head: I am only a human, but I will never consider a warranty as actually worth anything! Yes, I have got some pretty expensive knives, that I will not throw away and will be willing to pay another $80 to get fixed if they break, but I guess I will be pretty upset about it and may be totally turned off that brand, no matter what!

Again, I am not interested in clones in any way. But that certainly has nothing to do with a warranty!
 
I gave up on clones a while ago. The "good" clones have price tags at $150+ and are still not up to par with Spyderco, Benchmade, and Kershaw's offerings in that price range. All the clones have is a similar appearance and roughly the same materials - often with fit and finish issues that, IMO, defeat the entire point of owning an expensive knife.

There's no winning with clones, period. Even if you get a good facsimile, you still don't have what you actually wanted.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I've seen very well made clones that cost less than $150 and could compete easily with the knife brands you mentioned in that price range. In fact, I've seen clones that were made well enough to fool people who owned the originals.

I'll say it again. Not all clones are created equal. And not all people who buy clones do so for the same reasons.
 
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