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Kerambit. I don't get it. I have never been in a knife fight or learned any martial arts so that is probably why. Could someone explain to me the reasons behind the design or give me a link. I want to learn. Plus, its killing me that there is finally something at the company store and I don't want to buy it. Make me want to buy one, pleeeaaase.

pete
 
The reason the kerambit exists, I think, is because early man copied the animals around him. They used claws so the design must be efficiant for killing/fighting. Also there is the historical value. Kerambits have been in use since the stone age. In trained hands a kerambit is a very scary thing. In non trained hands it is still effective because it's almost natural the way they feel when you pick one up. As to utility, they suck for chopping a skinning! But they are on par with any other design for many other tasks. Get one if you are even slightly interested. Worst case scenario is you end up selling it or trading it for something else :)
 
I have trained in and taught the use of the Karambit for over 15 years. The scary part about it is that you do not need special training to use it. Perhaps that goes along with the ideas in Bill's post. Meaning that it is just a primal thing. But here is what I do know from my meager experience.

I was taught that using a Karambit you are able to grab and throw with the weapon hand do to the ring hole. It is harder to drop because of this. An excellent close quarters weapon as you can roll with these bad boys. It really changes ground fighting. The ones I was taught with (cheap steel and carabu horn, very small) were not sharpened thus made tearing wounds which are supposed to be more difficult to treat. Very concealable.

I love this weapon because I can fight like I was empty handed because it is so secure in the hand. Ring hole can be used in multiple grips.

The Karambits on the market nowadays are very different than the cheapies I trained with. They are now usually much larger, better steel, better design (IMHO), and would function as a tool.

I have never handled the War Bar but can tell it would be a beast. As long as the ring hole works for you your good. And you could do such things as prying with the WB that I would never try with the standard Karambits on the markets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karambit
 
But they are on par with any other design for many other tasks.

Bill,
Just curious -- specifically what tasks are you thinking of? I have tried to use a War Boar for something other than self-defense and I have not yet been able to find any other task that I think it is up to doing as well as a traditional blade. Both edges on the War Boar are sharpened, but I still find that it tends to tear rather than cut. :)
 
" The kings of the ancient Sundanese kingdom were considered very powerful. When a king died, his subjects believed that his spirit flitted into the jungles and became the spirit of a tiger.
There are two terms for the tiger that rules the jungles of West Java. One is Harimau, which is the generic Bahasay Indonesian word for tiger, and the other is Pak Macan (pronounced "Pah-mah-chahn" - sometimes anglicized and spelled Pamacan) which loosely translates to "great tiger."

Thus, the great tiger is very much revered by the Sundanese.
So awed were the ancient Sunda peoples by the power and ferocity of the Pamacan, that the common blade of the people was patterned after the shape of the claw of Pamacan. it was scaled down to smaller sizes, which augmented maneuverability.

When a fighter unsheathed a battlefield Karambit in ancient times, the cutting edge was almost always smeared with some type of deadly poison, which acted almost instantly upon entry into the bloodstream via laceration of the flesh. Even the smallest cut was enough to usher the poison into the bloodstream. Knowledge and use of poisons derived from various species of poisonous frogs, snakes, scorpions and spiders
were considered an essential element of a warrior's arsenal of close-quarter combative skills. These poisons rapidly accelerated death and were mostly feared for their nearly instantaneous
killing power. This is another reason why Pencak Silat techniques and systems such as Sabetan and Rhikasan focus on the immobilization of the hands at close quarters.

The personal Karambit (smaller version of the battlefield Karambit) was primarily designed for targeting the nerves and joints. As a result of such a small cutting surface, most cuts cannot be made deep enough to kill someone. That is why the Karambit can be considered
a personal self-defense tool. In contrast, the blade of the Karambit Besar (larger or battlefield version of the personal-sized Karambit) is longer and thus permits deeper cuts. According to the ancients, the battlefield Karambit was preferred not only for its superior length but for the
fact that you could, as a result of the lengthy cutting edge, "spill the entrails of your enemies onto the ground." However, as it was in the West, with the advent of battle-worthy and functional firearms, bladed weapons became obsolete on the battlefield and relegated to the utilitarian uses of knives that we see today.

Specifically designed as a close-quarter self-defense weapon, the Karambit of old was additionally quite difficult to see in the hand due to its method of deployment and cover of the fingers. Doubly menacing was that it could not be disarmed as a result of its forefinger-grip design. It was unique to any other blade at the time as it could be used for both a medium and close fighting ranges without changing distance of the striking arm. It was also the only blade used in battle that could cut twice with a single arm stroke. All other blades of that era need one
motion for one cut. The ancient battlefield Karambit was unique because:
1.. It could not be easily seen.
2.. It could not be easily disarmed
3.. It could change ranges without body movement
4.. It could deliver two strikes in a single arm motion.
Although quite a remarkable weapon, and as fierce as it looks, its primary application in this modern era is utilitarian. The multi-functionality of this tool is what truly sets it apart from the many different other types of utility knives.

Used in training by martial artists who practice the art of Pencak Silat, and in some cases used as an implement of personal defense (much like any modern pocket knife or even a steak knife for that matter!), its small tip and blade length are not conducive to delivery of lethal blows and the Karambit cannot be used for effective thrusting and thus cannot be considered a dagger. However, when used correctly it can deliver convincing motivation to any would-be attacker to leave you for another victim!"
 
we still have a couple in stock and all orders from this weekend were shipped this morning, thanks :thumbup:
 
Damn it. Now I want one! :)

I have used my Desperina Model 10 Karambit (awesome BTW) as a box opener. ;) The War Bar could then perhaps be used to open box cars or remove manhole covers.
 
i carry an emerson combat kerambit folder on duty. i like it because i can draw it with my left (support) hand without dropping it by using the ring. i have learned some basic techniques for use, and i can be devastating and knife retention is almost an afterthought.

dont have a war boar........yet.
 
Alright, I got one with the smaller diameter ring. I am going to use it for gardening! I will let you guys know what I think next week. Thanks for the info and links, very interesting.

pete
 
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