Coaches (Moderator) half time locker room talk..........

[300Bucks]

Well, I sneak off for four days of Kansas bird hunting and weird stuff starts to happen. Let me give a coaching talk.

Well, Buck team you have to learn when the other team is trying to bait you into doing stuff you should know better than do. We have gone over in practice (an with past games) learning when someone is having fun at your expense and when someone really cares about learning stuff and sharing info.

I am looking at the last few days game films (forum posts from Monday on) and I can't believe you let yourselves be fooled by a flea-flicker play after a few posts.

Come on team lets learn to read the other teams offense (trolling) and put up a steel wall defense by putting people on ignore list or at least not keep on talking to them. Lets call the last few days a learning game and go forward keeping our heads in the game and not let folks bait you into unworthy discussions. Most of you can see that quickly and those that don't need to be sent a PM about what you think. So will I. And if I am not off on an adventure will do my duty as moderator but remember Moderators are volunteers, and this forum is policed by you as much as me. As long as some of the weeks post were I think enough has been said

300Bucks

 

[DesertChris]

Thanks Coach

Craig, and fellow buck subforum enthusiasts, I hereby unreservedly apologize for my part in the mayhem, and escalation of said mayhem.

 

[300Bucks]

Everyone just study the play book and learn the snap counts.......is it to late to wear my cardinals hat for a few days.......300

 

[gedlicks]

Many of us regulars that post in the buck subforum are members of the Buck Collectors Club as well as Buck enthusiasts and collectors and we should always put our best foot forward. We need to represent Buck and the BCCI in the best manor possible.

Thank you 300Bucks for helping to keep us all inline and keeping this forum a fun place for us all.

When all else fails refer to Mother Teresa's words of wisdom.

These words were found written on the wall in Mother Teresa's home for children in Calcutta:

People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway.

If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives. Be kind anyway.

If you are successful, you will win some unfaithful friends and some genuine enemies. Succeed anyway.

If you are honest and sincere people may deceive you. Be honest and sincere anyway.

What you spend years creating, others could destroy overnight. Create anyway.

If you find serenity and happiness, some may be jealous. Be happy anyway.

The good you do today, will often be forgotten. Do good anyway.

Give the best you have, and it will never be enough. Give your best anyway.

In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.

 

[pinnah]

Everyone just study the play book and learn the snap counts.......is it to late to wear my cardinals hat for a few days.......300

300Bucks,

They don't pay you enough. Moderation is just a super hard job that always upsets some portion of the crowd. I don't envy your task.

I think it's hard to accuse new comers for trolling when the play book or rules aren't posted. The "rules" might be understood (sort of) by old timers, but the new comer can't read people's minds. And then when old timers try to enforce their interpretation of the rules but those rules aren't in writing anywhere, the newbie has good reason to disregard the old timers as being cranky and enforcing their own opinion.

IME, newcomers can fit in more easily and crowd-sourcing the moderation works better when the rules are written down and posted.

I would suggest this be considered as Rule #1...

Rule 1: Negative comments about Buck or Buck knives will not be tolerated.

This seems to be at the center of nearly all dramas in the Buck sub-forum. If that proposed rule seems overstated, consider some of the possible ways to define when and how negative comments would be allowed. [While what follows is somewhat tongue in cheek, I'll bet many or most of them would be welcome by some regulars...]

Rule 1: Negative comments about Buck or Buck knives will not be tolerated unless you are [select one or more of the following: a BCCI member, a regular poster to the sub-forum with a minimum of 2 years and 100 non-negative posts prior, a "member" of the Buck sub-forum (this last one will need to be defined)] and unless your post includes [select one or more of the following: pictures, a statement indicating that you've already contacted Buck's Warranty department, a statement indicating your undying devotion to Buck].


I hope this doesn't come across as being to harsh. My experience is that people complain about knives on knife forums. It seems pretty universal and something that happens with every single brand. So long as Bladeforums.com decides to keep the servers running, there are going to be posts complaining about Buck (and Gerber, and CRKT and ZT and Spyderco and Leatherman and GEC and...) knives.

Perhaps the best possible solution here is to create a complaint free zone for the BCCI members here in the Buck sub-forum and redirect people who wish to discuss their negative experiences with Buck to post in the General or Traditional forums.

 

[TAH]

a regular poster to the sub-forum with a minimum of 2 years and 100 non-negative posts prior...

Hey, I qualify under category #2! But dang it, I can't think of anything negative to say about Buck. :grumpy: I'll make something up.

 

[LostViking]

I'm not even sure if I'm on the team? But I did manage to miss the locker room brawl.

I think it is ok to criticize, as long as you have first hand facts to back it up, coupled with pictures or diagrams. Without constructive criticism, there is no improvement.

The, My first cousin's brother-in-law told my sister stuff, never carries much weight with me. If you weren't there, you didn't actually see it.

Many of you folks, have collections that span decades. One can only hope that the new Buck collectors will follow in your footsteps.

But quality control and customer support must remain at a high level to foster that kind of loyalty.

 

[300Bucks]

Pinnah,
You are a careful contributor to many forums. But Number 1 thing to be clear here to all, is this forum is run by BladeForums a private enterprise and is only connected to Buck as a "out of factory" supporter, in a sense only a group of supporters of Buck Knives, that Buck Knife Co. felt good about seeing come together. Likewise, the BCCI is its own organization that supports the Buck Forum with its "handshake" but not with any direct payment or agreement. I and many of you are members of BCCI and BCCI is a common theme in discussions, but the BCCI will quickly tell folks they 'enjoy' Buck BladeForums but have nothing "actual" to do with its operation.

Yes you are right, there is no BladeForums playbook, but I was using humor to encourage Buck Forum members to think out our communications here, when it appears someone who is trying to be a Buck forum member in good standing is responding to someone who is not being one. When someone appears to be ' over correcting, over stating, over expressing" their opinions or knowledge it is all forum members who are obligated to let the regular forum member know he is needlessly getting upset. There can be no regulations banning anyone from expressing a negative opinion on Buck knives and I hope that long time or new time 'normal' members understand folks have the right to express that. HOW and HOW MUCH they express that is the rub. I was hoping to use thr "coaching" humor to let everyone think about the times we have had people that seemed to want to take over in the past and remember the lessons of not replying, not getting upset, of talking thru PM to others about what to do and even to calmly state to the people that need correcting that the Buck Forum members seek a different, kinder, calmer, fairer and yes a smarter way of communicating. I believe with this recent situation we harken back to a few years ago when this type of thing was occurring and new people may not understand what those that experienced it, learned from it. So, I will be a moderator when no other option is left. I hope all current BladeForum members learn to "see" problems as they are occurring and quickly realize 'this person is not doing right".

But I must defend as moderator, anyones right to come to the Buck forum and "Learn" to do right.

If I have not made this clear as mud please email or PM me for your further discussions.

300Bucks

 

[David Martin]

Yes, it was bad here a few years back and I'm glad many here didn't experience that. Yet, folks should still feel welcome to come and post nit-picking items they find in error with their Buck knife. Surely it's not the case with all the Buck knives. Then give them the address and who to contact toward customer service. Then go about discussing pleasant events they've had using their Buck knife. Or find out the history about their model and post some photos of their very attractive models. It's not that difficult to look toward a brighter day and enjoy chatting with friends whom you have something in common. DM

 

[338375]

300Bucks,

They don't pay you enough. Moderation is just a super hard job that always upsets some portion of the crowd. I don't envy your task.

I think it's hard to accuse new comers for trolling when the play book or rules aren't posted. The "rules" might be understood (sort of) by old timers, but the new comer can't read people's minds. And then when old timers try to enforce their interpretation of the rules but those rules aren't in writing anywhere, the newbie has good reason to disregard the old timers as being cranky and enforcing their own opinion.

IME, newcomers can fit in more easily and crowd-sourcing the moderation works better when the rules are written down and posted.

I would suggest this be considered as Rule #1...

Rule 1: Negative comments about Buck or Buck knives will not be tolerated.

This seems to be at the center of nearly all dramas in the Buck sub-forum. If that proposed rule seems overstated, consider some of the possible ways to define when and how negative comments would be allowed. [While what follows is somewhat tongue in cheek, I'll bet many or most of them would be welcome by some regulars...]

Rule 1: Negative comments about Buck or Buck knives will not be tolerated unless you are [select one or more of the following: a BCCI member, a regular poster to the sub-forum with a minimum of 2 years and 100 non-negative posts prior, a "member" of the Buck sub-forum (this last one will need to be defined)] and unless your post includes [select one or more of the following: pictures, a statement indicating that you've already contacted Buck's Warranty department, a statement indicating your undying devotion to Buck].


I hope this doesn't come across as being to harsh. My experience is that people complain about knives on knife forums. It seems pretty universal and something that happens with every single brand. So long as Bladeforums.com decides to keep the servers running, there are going to be posts complaining about Buck (and Gerber, and CRKT and ZT and Spyderco and Leatherman and GEC and...) knives.

Perhaps the best possible solution here is to create a complaint free zone for the BCCI members here in the Buck sub-forum and redirect people who wish to discuss their negative experiences with Buck to post in the General or Traditional forums.

I understand what you are thinking, but IMHO it does seem a little much.
The big problem I can see is, it would create even more work for the Mods trying to make sure everything is where it should be, and that a poster meets the criteria required to make a negative post about Buck...
Trying to push the negativity over to Traditional wouldn't be a good fit either. While not directly tied to one particular company, the desired atmosphere is much the same as the Buck s/f.

For me, not allowing any negative posts about Buck or Buck knives, UNLESS you meet guidelines, is selective censorship.
That said, the negative posts do need to be presented maturely, and respectfully, and if a person is going to post about issues they are having with a Buck knife, or any other knife brand for that matter, I can see at least one picture being required.
There again, that would create more work, so I guess the easiest way to deal with posters whose sole intention is to get people fired up is to just ignore them.
If they don't get a response or reaction, it will take all the fun out of it for them.