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Codger got Meow!

Codger_64

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After two divorces and five kids, I am once again going backpacking and camping solo. Unfortunately, I've lost the majority of my hiking and camping gear... including my trusty down sleeping bag (circa 1978).

So... the quest for replacements is on. I bought an $80 Eureka 20 degree synthetic bag because it was there and cheap. It sucked. According to the tags, it had been made about a year ago (in Asia) and had spent all of it's time since then (shipment from overseas, storage at the warehouse and in the store) in a compression bag. I gave it my best "fluff" treatment, but no joy... it was still 3/4" or less thick in many places. Twelve hours later, I repacked it and drove back to the store for a refund (thankfully, I hadn't left on my backpacking trip without checking it out).

My second choice was a pricier (for me) North Face "Cat's Meow". A good down bag will just have to wait. This bag was slightly below MSRP ($149 @ Gander Mountain), weighed sub-3lbs, compressed small, came in a large storage bag and included a compression sack. The insulation is Climashield and fluffs up just fine. In fact, I am a cold sleeper and I didn't get cold at all when temps dropped near freezing. I did use a 1/2" closed cell foam pad (thick enough for ground insulation... not thick enough for comfort) and wore my baselayer of Thermax.

I like a lot of the details on this bag like the glow in the dark zipper pull (my half-century-plus kidneys require me to unzip and water the lillys several times during the night) and the snag-free zipper. I didn't use the stash pocket, but the hood drawcord beat my old style down bag's cord(s) by a mile. A minus is that the bottom material is slick and slid off my pad repeatedly thru the night. But... I do move around a lot and I can add some silicone dots to my pad to stop the sliding. Besides, the bag does have sewn-in tabs to strap it to a pad.

Hoping to entice a nice (?) cougar into my tent, I am going to buy a second bag before long. This one will be either a Kelty or a TNF XT-20, mostly just so that I can compare them.

By the way, it was the high recommendations here that led me to buy the TNF Cat's Meow. Thanks guys!

Now for a lighter tent.

Codger
 
I hope the Polarguard insulation in your TNF holds up better than mine.

If you decide to try a down bag at some point, I have a Marmot Helium and an expedition overbag from www.featheredfriends.com that I like a lot. One of my buddies bought his wife a Western Mountaineering bag a few years ago and that has held up well.

If you're buying for a woman and not getting a female-specific bag, get something about 10-20 degrees warmer than you think you'll need. Women with whom I've backpacked needed warmer bags than many men.

DancesWithKnives
 
Just make sure they zip together...:D

Good point. The TNF Meow I bought has a right zip because it was all they had in stock. I need a left zip for myself (it is a hassle to zip and unzip a right zip with my right arm). Methinks that the Meow men's version would be warm enough for most wimminks (Popeye talk), and would let me keep the right zip and use a newer left zip myself. And if she gets cold, why I can think of a way to ger warm.
 
Glad to see you around!

EDIT: I have been hiking alone. I enjoy setting my own pace and distance. I have been doing 8 to 12 mile hikes just trying to get back in shape. I don't really need to lose much weight, just shift it around.
 
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I like a lot of the details on this bag like the glow in the dark zipper pull (my half-century-plus kidneys require me to unzip and water the lillys several times during the night)
Now for a lighter tent.

Codger
:eek:
Why didn't I think of that!!???
Great idea...............

Make sure you post some Schrade-in-tree knife pics for us from your trip Codger:D
I have a feeling your are gonna be packing a 150 Old Timer:cool:
Am I right?
Maybe a Uncle Henry Sharpfinger?
You gotta go fixed blade Codger!!!:thumbup:

And an Imperial hatchet
And your all set......

and a Schrade 105 for testing your sausage on the grill....

and a Schrade NaviTool (WITH Bic lighter holder!!!:thumbup:) to find your way home......
 
I only had two Schrades with me on this last hike (Saturday thru Sunday). I had my faithful 897UH Premium Stockman and my 902OT. But I did need a longer, sturdier blade because firewood was at a premium. This State park only allows camping in designated areas, so the firewood supply was pretty well picked over by this late in the year. I made do with some cedar splinters and shavings I had picked up during the hike for kindling (no resins, but easy to ignite), and then burned some larger pieces in two to fit my fire ring. It has been a really wet fall (not Oregon wet, but wet for SW Tennessee), so most of the remaining fall was damp.

As for pictures, alas... I not only lost most of my camping gear, but my camera. And the house where I lived temporarily last winter had sucky wiring which fried my computer. So I am still coming on here from the public library. I'm not sure how to get pictures from my camera phone on here, but I'll try.

I'll be going out for another day hike or two this week, rain or shine. I'll see about taking some "post-worthy" pictures with my cell phone.
 
And even more glad to hear you're moving forward. Stay in touch when you can. If you make it back up to NY look me up if you need a place to crash for a day or two.
 
Sorry to hear about the problems Codger, and I hope things are better soon, but it sure is nice to see you here.
 
Wait til your half-century plus lower back says *hello* after you've wrestled that cougar all night on rough ground................
 
Wait til your half-century plus lower back says *hello* after you've wrestled that cougar all night on rough ground................

This old back has been through a lot already! Not to dwell on my personal problems, but I have what the docs call "R.I.I.", repetitive impact injury. That means too much jackhammering after too many jumps resulting in lower spine fractures and collapsed discs. So I have relearned how to do most everything that requires the use of my back.

I think though that I can handle the rasslin match. At least my back can. "Cowgirl up!"

I was truly surprised that my backpacking trip this past weekend didn't cause a sore back. I have to give a lot of credit to my newfangled backpack. It is a (don't laugh until after you check one out yourself) Coleman! Yup, the same company that brought us disposable camping equipment in the seventies. I must say I am impressed with this "cheapie" backpack, the MAX 65L ($70 at Wal-Mart). It is heavy compared to my dream pack, the Golite Pinnicle (sub-2#) since it weighs over four pounds, but a lot of the extra weight is caused by heavy padding in the back (an internal framesheet), the shoulder straps and waist belt. And compression straps galore, an included rain cover, mesh side pockets, adjustable torso length, internal hydration pocket, dual compartment top lid and rear (or is it front?) daisy chains for gear attachment. The pack seems to have been made for Wal-mart specifically, since I haven't seen it elsewhere.

I carried about thirty-five pounds of gear, food and water for miles (eight out and eight back) over some steep mixed hardwood hills along the Tennessee River and only had one slightly sore spot on my shoulder. A lot of that weight was water since the designated camp area in this State Park is dry as a bone. I carried three liters whereas I would normally only carry one. And my tent is a three man Mountainsmith I bought last fall thru a fellow forumite. It weighs nearly five pounds and was intended to be my canoe trekking tent. But my canoe went the way of the rest of my camping gear last fall.

Codger
 
Got a Cat's Meow this summer, and it seems to work very well. I've used it down to the 20s and it kept me comfortable. Not quite toasty down to that temperature, but I slept just fine. Long Johns would have made me perfectly comfortable. Also wasn't using a pad! I'm impressed.

I've heard about the fill in older versions not holding up very well, but the ones with the Climashield Prism get good press, so far as I've seen. Mine is doing great.
 
Mine is the Climashield Prism, but I noticed this morning as I was repacking it in the storage bag that the manufacture date was 2007.

I think that how you treat a bag (down or synthetic) inbetween trips has a lot to do with how well the loft holds up. I kept my seventies down bag in good shape by storing it uncompacted and occasionally hanging it to air it out and let it fluff between trips (after almost thirty years it still worked). I did just this with the Cat's Meow until this morning, let it hang 36 hours by the foot loops (I installed a ceiling hook in the corner of my living room) and occasionally patted it to encourage fluffing.

This bag came in a 12"x12"x16" box and stores in an included 16"x24" mesh storage bag. Evidently North Face "gets it" on how to treat fill for longevity.

The returned failed Eureka bag came stuffed and compacted to about seven by 12 inches, and had "lived" that way for a year or more.
 
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