Cold Steel/Camillus relationship?

If it is a good quality pocket knife, I always think Camillus unless I know the company makes their own (i.e., Buck, Schrade, etc.). For example, Camillus makes the Remington green over yellow series knives which is public knowledge. When I bought one the quality was very good. I said to myself, "hhmmm...this looks like a Camillus knife".

Want a knife that has the same quality as the CS carbon pocket knives and want to save about $40? Look at the Camillus Carbon Series pocket knives. Very well done. High carbon steel blades. Good walk and talk.

What Fudo said.
 
I bought mine at the Knife Center. I am sure they are all over the place.
 
....check the "Links and Dealers" page on our website at

http://www.camillusknives.com/links.htm

On there you will find a list of online dealers that carry our knives. The new CARBON SERIES folders are models #61, 62, and 63. Please leat me know if you have any problems. Thanks for the interest!
 
I realize that there may be secrecy disclosure agreements operating, but the original question in this thread was about a relationship between Camillus and Cold Steel.

This question begs to be asked again, due to the Nov '01 TK issue, on the newsstands now. For those not familiar with it, the article featured/compared the Camillus Carbon series, 2or 3 new slipjoints by Cold Steel, and the 2 new Kershaw knives, the Double Cross and Double duty.

In the article, the specs for the Camillus knives and those of CS are the same. Looking at the shapes of the knives involved, I can't seen any real difference. Both sets of knives offer carbon steel blades, Delrin handles -- in different finishes. At the end of the article, the writer was extremely careful to say he could not pick any favorites from the knives involved. We all know that such choices could cause problems for the magazine they don't want, like the ending of a profitable advertising contract. Still, I believe there is/are another reason/reasons for that indecision.

Since the 2 Kershaw knives offer locking liners and thumbstuds, but are not true classical slip joints, and they cost the most, it strikes me that the author could have chosen those knives as favorites, antagonizing only diehard slipjoint fans who believe that Kershaw has bastardized hallowed slip joint patterns, with trojan horses. (I just love mixing metaphors, etc.)

Since the CS knives are indeed traditional, and cost more than double the price of the Camillus knives, I think the author could have chosen them as favorites and offended only the fans of modernism, who believe that the locking liner and thumbstuds of the Kershaw knives are bringing the traditional knive patterns into the 21st Century. Camillus fans might have felt aggrieved, but in these days where "you get what you pay for" attitudes, most people would just think the Camillus fans were exhibiting a "sour grapes" attitude. Failing to rate the CS knives as better than the Camillus knives has to aggravating to CS. So, I think that the truth was used to mollify CS on the issue -- it was pointed out that the author either preferred the Camillus knives, or found them essentially identical to the CS offerings. Those points of view would be much more destructive for CS than simply saying, "I can't pick."

HOwever much he wanted to, I don't think the author (or editor) could choose the Camillus knives as either best, or state they're identical to the CS offerings. I think Mr. T would have pulled his ads from TK had there been anything which indicated the knives from both the companies were essentially identical. If the Camillus were rated best, then CS simply appears to be overcharging for their knives, grossly so.

I believe that there is little or no difference between the Camillus and CS knives, other than handle color. I think it likely that Camillus makes the CS knives, probably in the same factory with their Carbon series, and that different tang stamps and scales are all that differentiate the knives from each other.

Of course, I don't expect that Camillus is likely going to shed a whole lot of light on this, and I don't think they should be criticized if that is the case. Again, they probably have contracts against disclosing even the fact they make CS blades, if that it true.

So, after much speculation, and convincing myself, if nobody else, I think I'm going to go buy one or more of the Camillus series. And, maybe secretly, maybe not, I am going to enjoy greatly the notion that I am buying equal or better quality to the much more expensive CS blades. :cool:
 
I've been thinking the same thing lately, about buying a Camillus Carbon Series. There is only one thing holding me back. I just don't like plastic handles, whether it be celluloid or Delrin. I'm a bone and stag kind of guy. Plastic just doesn't have any soul. I'd really like to see the American knife industry return to its roots a bit and come out with some good carbon steel slipjoints in bone and stag. I buy German right now, but I'd really prefer to buy American. I find the American carbon steels to be a bit better in quality.

Case is an option right now. They do make use of some great traditional materials, but I just don't dig their steel. I've tried their chrome vanadium, but it hasn't impressed me.

I just want a bone or stag handled slipjoint, preferably a canoe, whittler or stockman, with good carbon steel, and Camillus or Schrade quality walk and talk. It really sounds like a killer limited edition possibility right now. People are hot on slipjoints, but want soemthing as nice as their grandfather used. Nobody in America, for less than an full arm and a leg, is doing that.

Come on Will!!!! Bring on the real thing!!!!
 
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