Cold Steel, it's up to you to invent the modern sword.

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I've been thinking about this topic for awhile. I some times like to geek out on the youtube channels the include historical marshal weapons. Skallagrim, scholagladiatoria, so forth. What I enjoy about these channels is that they highlight and discuss what actual martial arts are all about throughout the ages. In movies, tv, and video games, martial arts are designed to appear emotional and bombastic. Things are over the top for the sake of drama, which makes total and complete sense. We all love good action.

I also love realism as well, especially when it comes to tools, personal protection, and ease of use. Thought there are many depictions of swords of legends, whether long swords, katanas, so forth, "Weapons to surpass all weapons," the reality is that swords continued to evolve throughout the centuries. From long swords, to rapiers, to sabers they've kept advancing... up to about the 1910 - 1920. Now, the Japanese did use swords in WWII but this were not a lot different in design from previous Katana's. So what I'm saying is, I feel that there really hasn't been a new development in sword designs with a specific function in mind in for awhile. There are some tactical swords out there but I feel like they're more cool versions of old swords rather than swords with function in mind. These conversations always devolve to, "well, what's your purpose for a sword? Not all swords fit every role." This is true, another common statement in these discussions is, "There aren't really any new innovations to swords that haven't been done in the past 4,000 years." Also true, but there have been innovations to machining and material technology, light weight and impact resistant items.

It's 7/14/2014 as I write this. This is what I feel a modern sword should take into account:
1. Most people do not wear armor any more. The sword would have to be capable of penetrating civilian clothing
2. I feel some kind of knuckle guard would be essential.
3. Possibility for 1 or 2 hands
4. Solid shock absorption and grip - g10 or possibly micarta.
5. Some sort of quick release sheath
6. Affordable
7. 5160 spring steel or some form of spring steel.

I'm thinking of what I would consider to be the sword equivalent of a glock 21 or cold steel recon 1. A solid, well built, reliable sword. Where if you knew almost nothing about swords, you would have at least heard of it, (like glock or recon). Effective design would be the primary focus and it could be marketed as the first truly modern sword design.

I feel that Cold Steel should invent said sword. They unabashedly create marshal weapons and their eye for design and function is really quite good. They make a lot of replica's already so why not introduce a new sword for the markets. Their replica's have a solid reputation but also use fairly traditional materials (wood and wrapped wood).

I want to open this up to the community. What features do you think a truly modern sword would sport? Also, I've done a lot of looking on the interwebs for such a sword and haven't found anything I would place in this category, but if you have, feel free to post pictures of these pieces.
 
A leaner meaner version of their Jungle machete would be cool. With a shorter handle same 16 inch blade can stay but may be 1.5 inches at its wildest..
 
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If you're thinking modern warfare, I don't believe the katana would be useful anymore as you're not going to get fighting room in urban warfare. Maybe wakizashi size, torn between classical for slashing/stabbing, or maybe a little greek influence for something closer to kukri style.

Yes, 5160, and probably differential treated to reduce the likelihood of breakage.

Other than that, it's an exercise in philosophy. I know that elfin looking short sword out last week was wicked looking, and maybe in more ways than looks.

Larry
Tinkerer
 
While you say "most" people do not wear armor, there are a lot of people who do wear body armor of some sort. Shouldn't a modern sword be designed with that in mind? Granted modern body armor isn't designed with edged weaponry in mind but I can't help but think that layered Kevlar and a trauma plate is something to bear in mind.
 
Good point, helmets and Kevlar are doable. Also I agree, the office I find with most "modern" or "tactical" swords is they appear to be a katana variant. I don't know that that's the best design. I feel like some kind of saber would be a better design as it would allow you to hold something else in the other hand and protect your knuckles
 
All ready have the XL Espada for a folding sword and the Natchez bowie . Its just a short sword .
 
Plenty of people have designed and or made modern swords, Busse, Artificum Solis... It's not "up to Cold Steel".
 
I wouldn't say that those swords fall into the named categories. Both of the companies you listed are customs, what I'm describing/ looking for would be a production model sword.
 
I wouldn't say that those swords fall into the named categories. Both of the companies you listed are customs, what I'm describing/ looking for would be a production model sword.

Zombie Tools. I have their Hellion falcata and I really dig it. IMO it's my idea of a near-perfect modern sword, even though it's actually ancient in origin. Fast, agile, very rugged, and the cutting power is very good.
 
I'd have to point out that the majority of the swords made by Busse, Swamprat, and Scrap yard are productions. The AK-47, Waki, Scrapazashi, etc, etc are mostly production pieces. They are limited, and once a run is done, they are discontinued, so harder to get, and the prices increase sharply.


You can order customs too.
 
^ Cool, I to be perfectly honest hate Zombie Tools, but that's cool that you like them.

I think the zombie thing is a bit goofy personally. It can be fun I suppose but it's so overdone these days. What attracted me to ZT was the specs. 5160, robust designs which are a mix of ancient and futuristic/apocalyptic, nice full scale tangs with riveted aluminum handle slabs wrapped in leather. Like suped-up machetes in a way. The temper & heat treat - at least on mine - is well done. It is a well executed modern take on an ancient classic, so I'll give those guys their props for that. I've hacked up all sorts of things with it and it's just as solid as the day it arrived on my porch.

I found their website years ago and initially didn't like their stuff. When they changed the finish on their blades, the Hellion just spoke to me. I love khukri/falcata/kopis type blades and had been looking for just the right modern version of one. ZT came the closest to what I was looking for.
 
Ah, I don't like them for one of the reasons you DO like them, the handles. I haven't personally handled them but just by looking at them I'd probably have a rough time.
 
Ah, I don't like them for one of the reasons you DO like them, the handles. I haven't personally handled them but just by looking at them I'd probably have a rough time.

I can only comment on mine, but it is more ergonomic than it looks.
 
Cool. I've really enjoyed chatting with you. Do the ZT handles put any real hot spots on your hands?
 
Cool. I've really enjoyed chatting with you. Do the ZT handles put any real hot spots on your hands?

Not really too bad. About the same as machete would I suppose but the handle is much more comfortable than any machete I've ever used.

On the other hand because of the rigid design, there's sometimes a lot of energy transference to your hand if you hit something particularly unyielding, but you'll have that with any full scale tang on a longish blade. The leather wrap helps, but only a little bit. Used for its intended purpose as a weapon you likely won't experience that because flesh is so much more giving than a 2X4.
 
Hanwei offers the Tactical katana and the Tactical wakizashi [ which I have and like] which could perhaps be termed 'modern swords'. Nevertheless I agree that Cold Steel would be the perfect company to move into this field.
 
I threw this Idea at Cold Steel back in 2011
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http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/...ld-Steel-Tactical-Sword-Idea2_zpsa47034f5.jpg
 
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