cold steel needs to make more liner locks.

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I like alot of cold steels knives including the ti lite that i have and have been carrying. But the ti lite is the only one that i bought because i just dont like back locks. Does anyone else think cold steel should add a few new liner locks to their lineup sometime in the near future?
 
They need to offer the Voyager in upgraded steel. I love my large clip point Voyager with the Triad lock.

I like backlocks, I have enough liner locks, that Triad lock is like a super backlock.
 
I'd like to see them make a few more as well. CS used to offer several liner locks with the same style of folded-over lock spring as the Ti-Lites (my favorite version of the liner lock in general). One can only hope. :thumbup:

edit: I foresee this thread being moved to the CS subforum in 3...2...1... :D
 
G. Scott H. said:
I'd like to see them make a few more as well. CS used to offer several liner locks with the same style of folded-over lock spring as the Ti-Lites (my favorite version of the liner lock in general). One can only hope. :thumbup:

edit: I foresee this thread being moved to the CS subforum in 3...2...1... :D
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for real, the ti lite has a great liner. I feel like cold steel has a very nice size range right in the 4 inch area and i have a hard time finding folders with liner locks that hit that right there like that.
 
Back locks are ok, not my favorite, but Cold Steel doesn't use a Back lock for most of their stuff, it's the Demko Tri-ad lock. It has a small but significant difference in design and operation that makes it one of the strongest in the industry. It is a little cumbersome to operate, but I'd take it over a liner lock any day.
 
I disagree if they're anything like my ti lite liner lock. It moves (read: starts to unlock) under negative blade pressure... Why would anyone want more of that nonsense? The detent ball is actually touching the non lock side so that's a design fail to me as there's no room left for the liner to break in. :thumbdn:

Plus, it's the 6" version so it'd act like a giant, razor sharp guillotine on my fingers if it folded inadvertantly. :eek:


The fact that CS has a monopoly on Demko's excellent Triad lock is their biggest strength right now IMHO. I love my rajah ii and spartan. :thumbup:
 
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Poez said:
Everybody does linerlocks: so what would be the point?
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To have more of a variety? Right now they have 1 line lock, some fixed blades some triad locks (yes ik it isnt a back lock but the way you use it it is the same just the strength and the way its made are different) and that weird lock on the kudu.
There are people out there that dont like the back lock style thus making cold steel lose potential customers.

Spyderco does a good portion of their knives with a lock back but they also have variety of other locking mechanisms witch gives them a larger customer base because they have alot of different options. Now im not a big spyderco guy and i dont like a lot of their stuff either but i got to give them credit where its due, they make a quality product and they have atleast one knife that suites nearly everyone.
 
guessing that cs lives by it's marketing motto of
making the "world's strongest knives" seriously.
in this case trying to eliminate lock failure in it's productline.
sure back locks are a tad cumbersome to unlock and close
so isn't everyone on the look out for a folder with quick opening
and a dependable secure lock?
 
GIRLYmann said:
guessing that cs lives by it's marketing motto of
making the "world's strongest knives" seriously.
in this case trying to eliminate lock failure in it's productline.
sure back locks are a tad cumbersome to unlock and close
so isn't everyone on the look out for a folder with quick opening
and a dependable secure lock?
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I dont quite get this hard use philosophy tbh. Sure having a safe lock is great but you should be able to use a knife so hard you can snap the blade off of it and not need a lock if your using it right. When am i ever going to smash the spine of my knife against a 2x4 10 times in normal use? If you need the knife to be so unbelievably tough then maybe you should carry a full tang fixed blade.

When it comes down to it tbh.. I can take my 18$ kershaw nerve with a liner lock and spine whack it on a tree.. no failure, over strike it on a 2x4 no failure. Any liner lock frame lock axis lock or button lock that is correctly done wont fail under any sort of normal use.
 
They have made a few lock styles, but the triad suits most of their designs best, large tough folders for a low cost. Liner locks and frame locks can be appropriately strong, provided expensive machining, expensive design, and expensive materials, cheaper liner and frame locks are OK for light EDC use, but that isn't what most CS blades are geared twards. They had the "ultralock", but unlike the axis lock it was licensed from it was crude and clunky, and while inherently strong, it isn't inherently low cost. The Demco triad just works well, and the need for a tough lock that can take the abuse of hard use, and leverage of a very large blade to me is more important than quick 1 hand closing.
 
alucard0822 said:
They have made a few lock styles, but the triad suits most of their designs best, large tough folders for a low cost. Liner locks and frame locks can be appropriately strong, provided expensive machining, expensive design, and expensive materials, cheaper liner and frame locks are OK for light EDC use, but that isn't what most CS blades are geared twards. They had the "ultralock", but unlike the axis lock it was licensed from it was crude and clunky, and while inherently strong, it isn't inherently low cost. The Demco triad just works well, and the need for a tough lock that can take the abuse of hard use, and leverage of a very large blade to me is more important than quick 1 hand closing.
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I just dont see what you could practically use your knife for that it needs to be that strong. What could you possibly be cutting that you need to withstand 300lbs of pressure on the spine of the blade?
 
I'll take the tri ad over a liner lock any day thanks. No I don't need to hang 300lbs on my knives. Its just cool to know it can do that.
 
SomeNewGuy said:
I just dont see what you could practically use your knife for that it needs to be that strong. What could you possibly be cutting that you need to withstand 300lbs of pressure on the spine of the blade?
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Hanging weight on the handle isn't a realistic test, while impressive, I agree with you, it's mostly a gimmick. for me it is how it stands up to shock, which liners don't handle as well, they can and do slip, especially liner locks at this price point, frame locks may be able to take a bit more, but they also can be permanently damaged with batoning or hacking that few other knives are large enough to do well. Liner/frame knives also place the lock where it can be released inadvertently if you are skinning or pulling hard with the blade at an odd angle. Leverage based on the blade and handle size also matters, on a knife at 12+" OAL the pivot and lock can have a ton more stress than a shorter 7" OAL edc knife.

I EDC carry large folders, usually my ZT300 or 561, the better steel, slicker action, and better materials and details make them a joy to use, and they hold up to most cutting tasks, the beefy frame locks are well made, but I take it easy on them. I have been cut by a cheaper(Gerber) liner lock that slipped and failed, and bent up a few older frame locks cutting tough materials like rubber bushings, and don't really need to push a $200+ knife to the point of damage when I have fixed blades and cheaper/tougher CS folders around. For tough jobs where I need a combination pocket machete, hatchet and knife My CS knives are tough and inexpensive, without the triad lock, wave plate or large blades they are just another cheap knife and I wouldn't have an interest in them. One practical example was helping a neighbor dress a deer, didn't have my fixed skinner and hawk with me, only my G10 AK-47 and a stick, batoned it clean through the pelvis and legs, decapped and skinned it, gutted it, and quartered the meat, all without any permanent damage to the knife, dropped the parts at the taxidermist and butcher, and ordered him a knife just like mine.
 
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Nutty Knife Nut said:
Pretty much the only reason I would buy a CS folder is because it has a TRI-AD lock.
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Exactly, it's really their only redeeming quality. Overly tactical styling, mediocre materials, cheesy marketing, gung-ho fan boys, and an EXCELLENT lock design. I would definitely not buy a cold steel with a liner lock...overly tactical styling, mediocre materials, cheesy marketing, gung-ho fan boys, and a boring old liner lock? No thanks.
 
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